Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
Published on November 17, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Bush and Cheney have been on the offensive lately.  Some say it is way overdue.  They are refuting the claims of the Democrat leadership that they were in the dark.  (Yea, I know, they are always in the dark).

But Rep Murtha played their hand today.  He called for a complete and utter retreat from Iraq.  Forget the 2000 Americans and the other allies losses!  Time to pull out!

So the democrats are finally getting honest, if not smarter.  Murtha has shown that the democrats, who voted for the war before they voted against it, have one simple agenda.

The defeat of America will mean the defeat of Bush!  So let us pack up and leave and admit defeat so we can say Bush was defeated!  Forget all those men and women who sacraficed for the 30 million iraqis!

Forget the fact that while the bacteria still exist and continue to target more innocents than troops are losing.  Forget the fact that we have liberated a country where a despot routinely slaughtered those he did not like.  Forget all that!

Let's cut and run!

You know what is more sickening than not having a policy, as the democrats have not had for 5 years.  What is more sickening is that they detest the troops so much that they want to trash them to get to Bush.

That is what is truly sickening!


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on Nov 18, 2005
I have no quibble with Murtha's military background & credentials & he rightly deserves our respect. But having them doesn't make him infallible or confer on him any special status.

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

His position is wrong, apparently based on nothing more than emotion. I do have a quibble with that.



Nice, couldn't have said it better myself.
on Nov 18, 2005

Nice, couldn't have said it better myself.

He does have a way of cutting to the quick of things.

on Nov 18, 2005

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Reply By: davad70

Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your own leaders.  Just maybe:

Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal.

Or the current troops:

"Here on the ground, our job's not done," Army Col. James Brown, commander of the 56th Brigade Combat Team in Iraq, said Friday. "We have to finish the job that we began here. It's important for the security of this region and certainly it's important and in the vital interests of the United States of America."

on Nov 18, 2005
Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your own leaders. Just maybe:
Democrats largely defended the Vietnam War veteran's patriotism but declined to support his call for a quick withdrawal.


I never said I advocated a "quick withdrawal". I said I think it's despicable for you to imply that Murtha detests the troops.

Try again.
on Nov 18, 2005
I never said I advocated a "quick withdrawal". I said I think it's despicable for you to imply that Murtha detests the troops.

Try again.


No matter how you spin this.....Murtha is a fekking idiot!
on Nov 19, 2005
It was reassuring to see the House Republicans grow a little backbone & put that little resolution to a vote last night. Stunt or not, it was needed.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 19, 2005
Everything Rep. Murtha said about the way Bush conducted the Iraq War is correct. Bush going on the attack is a joke. Nothing he has done has help the American People. The unrest in Iraq is unending and stay the course is not a answer. It is time for the people of Iraq to take control of THEIR country and if the can not or will not do that, too bad!
on Nov 19, 2005
Everything Rep. Murtha said about the way Bush conducted the Iraq War is correct. Bush going on the attack is a joke. Nothing he has done has help the American People. The unrest in Iraq is unending and stay the course is not a answer. It is time for the people of Iraq to take control of THEIR country and if the can not or will not do that, too bad!


No Colon Gangrene, your pathetic existence is a joke. Like Murtha, you have traded in your honor and integrity for hate and spineless cowardice.

To leave now is to leave Iraq to the bacteria. If that is what you and Murtha wish on the people of Iraq, then I wish the same on you.
on Nov 19, 2005
ParaTed2k

You do not know what Honor IS! To support a policy that sent our brave military into a war that did not need to be fought is the worst action possible. We have a Five time deferment VP and a Presedent that disobayed his orders when in the Air Guard while he was avoiding Vietnam calling the shots. You are supporting two real loosers.
on Nov 19, 2005
Ted -

I respectfully disagree with your tone concerning Murtha - his service has earned our gratitude and respect. His position is simply shortsighted & wrong. Making policy recommendations on the basis of emotion & sentimentality rather than logic & realpolitik is tempting but foolish.

However, I would not insult Mr. Murtha by painting him with the same brush as you do Gene. Gene is clearly motivated by an obsessive hatred that I simply can't understand. Nothing about Murtha suggests he hates anyone; he has heretofore supported the President on the war and should be accorded his due.

Again, I don't think Murtha is insincere, just wrong. Gene reminds me of Melvin in Office Space, devoting his entire existence to getting his stapler back and threatening to burn the building down if he doesn't.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 19, 2005
Maybe, just maybe you should listen to your own leaders. Just maybe


maybe, just maybe, you should actually read what i've been writing--for quite some time--before you presume to suggest to whom i should or shouldn't listen. just maybe.

the point of my previous comment here was to wonder about the accuracy or validity of your title's claim (democrats reveal their hand) based on the votes cast for and against the resolution in question.

you chose to respond with some silly inanity (apparently you were in a mood since i see you characterized murtha as a liberal in an earlier response to someone else).

after yesterdays lil congressional stunt, i think it's pretty clear to everyone who's revealing what to the rest of the country.

it aint the democrats.

and it ain't their hands.
on Nov 19, 2005
I respectfully disagree with your tone concerning Murtha - his service has earned our gratitude and respect. His position is simply shortsighted & wrong. Making policy recommendations on the basis of emotion & sentimentality rather than logic & realpolitik is tempting but foolish.


Daiwa, yes Murtha has earned our respect and admiration for his military record... and yes, he has supported military action up until now. My comments should not be taken in any way as disrespect for his military nor his entire Congressional record.

However, if his stance is that we should leave the people of Iraq to the bacteria infesting it, then I say that is a cowardly position. Not only cowardly but extremely naive. Does he think that us pulling out our troops would lead the bacteria to follow suit? If we leave now (or in six months as Murtha suggests), is their an infrastructure in place in Iraq that could withstand the onslaught of terrorists?

Whether those who oppose the war like it or not, Iraq is the epicenter of the war against Islamist terrorism, to lose in Iraq is to lose the war just as it has begun.

We have been attacked by Islamist Jihadists for decades now. Every time we were attacked and did nothing it only emboldened them to hit us with bigger attacks. For us to prove that we don't have the stomach to fight back, then we will prove ourselves to be exactly what the bacteria think of us as a nation... Cowards.

and you are right, it was unfair of me to lump Murtha in with the little stapler fiend Colon Gangrene. My apologies to Rep. Murtha.
on Nov 19, 2005
You do not know what Honor IS! To support a policy that sent our brave military into a war that did not need to be fought is the worst action possible. We have a Five time deferment VP and a Presedent that disobayed his orders when in the Air Guard while he was avoiding Vietnam calling the shots. You are supporting two real loosers.


Still campaigning for the 2004 election Colon Gangrene? Pathetic as usual.
on Nov 20, 2005
Para ted2K

Pathetic does not begin to describe the results of a president that sent our military into a war that DID NOT NEED to be fought and HAS NOT MADE US SAFER.

Nothing I or that anyone who does not agree with Bush has done comes even close.
on Nov 20, 2005
And yet Prs. Bush won the election... get over it loser.
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