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Published on November 17, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Bush and Cheney have been on the offensive lately.  Some say it is way overdue.  They are refuting the claims of the Democrat leadership that they were in the dark.  (Yea, I know, they are always in the dark).

But Rep Murtha played their hand today.  He called for a complete and utter retreat from Iraq.  Forget the 2000 Americans and the other allies losses!  Time to pull out!

So the democrats are finally getting honest, if not smarter.  Murtha has shown that the democrats, who voted for the war before they voted against it, have one simple agenda.

The defeat of America will mean the defeat of Bush!  So let us pack up and leave and admit defeat so we can say Bush was defeated!  Forget all those men and women who sacraficed for the 30 million iraqis!

Forget the fact that while the bacteria still exist and continue to target more innocents than troops are losing.  Forget the fact that we have liberated a country where a despot routinely slaughtered those he did not like.  Forget all that!

Let's cut and run!

You know what is more sickening than not having a policy, as the democrats have not had for 5 years.  What is more sickening is that they detest the troops so much that they want to trash them to get to Bush.

That is what is truly sickening!


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on Nov 18, 2005

how many republicans voted in favor of the senate's accountability resolution? how many democrats? whose hand is being revealed?

The Democrats.  I thought I made that clear.  Sorry you are confused.

on Nov 18, 2005

Now this is a low blow.

Everytime an allegation is made (the latest being White Phosphorous), they see that as a way to get to Bush.  But they are damning the troops for it is the troops who are over there, not Bush.

on Nov 18, 2005

Is it not reasonable to believe that to support the troops the sooner we pull out the fewer will die? Besides, Murtha is advocating "pulling back" the troops from the upclose combat zone that has no front. The Marines call that "strategic withdrawal."

So the logic goes.  But if you pull out too soon, then the couontry reverts to what it was, and every soldier who has died trying to stablize it has died in vain.

on Nov 18, 2005

That isn't concern, that is political opportunism.

Exactly, and it is sickening.

on Nov 18, 2005

Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;

So had Kerry apparently.  The past is his accomplishments.  The present is his shame.

on Nov 18, 2005

Because if you cut and run now and you invalidate their deaths and their sacrifices.

Something that he left, in their zeal to harpoon Bush fail to realize what they are telling the soldiers.

on Nov 18, 2005

I know you're an economist, and this is pretty much a textbook example of a sunk cost.

Or startup costs.  To use your analogy, How many businesses make a profit their first year?  Every life lost is tragic.  But to only do something half assed cheapens those that were lost.  For that is saying they lost them for nothing.

on Nov 18, 2005

I would like to see how you react when someone promisses to help you out with something only to leave you hanging.

That seems to be what they want us to do.

on Nov 18, 2005

a "Strategical Withdrawal", as someone else put it, would be an insult to everything they worked hard for and the sacrifces they have made

Well put. He has forgotten what it is all about.

on Nov 18, 2005
The whole "Timetable" thing is the whining of politicians who have nothing else to use to back their point. In Desert Storm we had no timetable, when we deployed we had no idea when we were coming home, we didn't even have a rotation schedule. Then again, there was a "timetable" given for Bosnia, and it has turned out to be the longest "year" in history.

The fact is, we have NEVER fought a war based on a calendar, so what makes it so all fired important now? It keeps small minds' tongues flapping, and that's about it.

These politicians say they "support the troops" but then can't seem to get themselves to acknowledge any of the troops accomplishments. If your boss kept telling you that he or she "supports" you, but does nothing but trash the job you do, how long would YOU believe that "support" is real?
on Nov 18, 2005
just a side note comment, the marines never retreat or have a strategic withdrawal , we attack to the REAR!
on Nov 18, 2005
I have no quibble with Murtha's military background & credentials & he rightly deserves our respect. But having them doesn't make him infallible or confer on him any special status.

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

His position is wrong, apparently based on nothing more than emotion. I do have a quibble with that.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Nov 18, 2005

If your boss kept telling you that he or she "supports" you, but does nothing but trash the job you do, how long would YOU believe that "support" is real?

Who told you about my Boss Willis?

on Nov 18, 2005

just a side note comment, the marines never retreat or have a strategic withdrawal , we attack to the REAR!

That one I know!

on Nov 18, 2005

He was a soldier. He is a politician.

Exactly!

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