Bush Hits back - Dems Reveal hand

Published on November 17, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Bush and Cheney have been on the offensive lately. Some say it is way overdue. They are refuting the claims of the Democrat leadership that they were in the dark. (Yea, I know, they are always in the dark).

But Rep Murtha played their hand today. He called for a complete and utter retreat from Iraq. Forget the 2000 Americans and the other allies losses! Time to pull out!

So the democrats are finally getting honest, if not smarter. Murtha has shown that the democrats, who voted for the war before they voted against it, have one simple agenda.

The defeat of America will mean the defeat of Bush! So let us pack up and leave and admit defeat so we can say Bush was defeated! Forget all those men and women who sacraficed for the 30 million iraqis!

Forget the fact that while the bacteria still exist and continue to target more innocents than troops are losing. Forget the fact that we have liberated a country where a despot routinely slaughtered those he did not like. Forget all that!

Let's cut and run!

You know what is more sickening than not having a policy, as the democrats have not had for 5 years. What is more sickening is that they detest the troops so much that they want to trash them to get to Bush.

That is what is truly sickening!

Comments (Page 2)

AsWayOpens

on Nov 17, 2005

Oh gee whiz, conservatives are just getting desperate now, aren't you?

ParaTed2k

on Nov 17, 2005

The problem with your statement is that the administration has not given any indiaction that this "war" will ever end.

Which is a blatant lie. Prs. Bush has said over and over again what the goals and meaning of victory are. Just because you choose to childishly act as if he hasn't, well, that is your choice.

You and the Senate democrats remind me of the kid in the back seat of a car...

"are we there yet"
"No, we won't be there until we get to the mountains"
"why"
"well, because grandma lives in the mountains"
"why"
and so on and so on with the little brat kid never acknowledging that the parents answered the question.

So go back in the back seat and suck you stinky little thumb because you already know the answer.

kingbee

on Nov 18, 2005

how many republicans voted in favor of the senate's accountability resolution? how many democrats? whose hand is being revealed?

stevendedalus

on Nov 18, 2005

What is more sickening is that they detest the troops so much that they want to trash them to get to Bush. Now this is a low blow.

stevendedalus

on Nov 18, 2005

Is it not reasonable to believe that to support the troops the sooner we pull out the fewer will die? Besides, Murtha is advocating "pulling back" the troops from the upclose combat zone that has no front. The Marines call that "strategic withdrawal."

bakerstreet

on Nov 18, 2005

steve, the other side, though, asks if making the troops hesitant, and hamstringing everythign they do doesn't cost more lives. People die in war, sometimes people who don't deserve to. When we kill Iraqis to spare Americans, they are angry, when Americans are lost preventing civilian casualties, they still complain.

When military planners and people in the executive branch decide whether to march in and sacrifice dozens of US troops, you don't think the derision of senate democrats and fear of how we are perceived causes that? When they opt not to attack at all, and resistance breeds, you don't think that those who scream at every US loss feeds it?

If this guy weren't screaming about US losses, he'd be screaming "Mai Lai" at the top of his lungs. Is that supporting the troops, or undermining the effort? I've sat back and watched, and when we are successful these people don't shut up, they just hammer away at something different. That isn't concern, that is political opportunism.

davad70

on Nov 18, 2005

Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;

He learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the 34th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry.
Link

This is also a man who has been visiting wounded soldiers at Bethesda and Walter Reed almost weekly since the war started.

I think it's pretty despicable of people like Dr. Guy to try to smear this man the way he is. His opposition to the war is not part of some vast liberal scheme to discredit Bush. This is a man who has fought for this country several times and has fought for soldiers for 30 years in congress. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt every time when he says he has the best interests of soldiers in mind, as opposed to someone who got like 5 deferments like Cheney did.

drmiler

on Nov 18, 2005

Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;

He learned about military service from the bottom up, beginning as a raw recruit when he left Washington and Jefferson College in 1952 to join the Marines out of a growing sense of obligation to his country during the Korean War. There he earned the American Spirit Honor Medal, awarded to fewer than one in 10,000 recruits. He rose through the ranks to become a drill instructor at Parris Island and was selected for Officer Candidate School at Quantico, Virginia. He then was assigned to the Second Marine Division, Camp Lejeune, North Carolina. In 1959, Captain Murtha took command of the Th Special Infantry Company, Marine Corps Reserves, in Johnstown. He remained in the Reserves after his discharge from active duty until he volunteered for Vietnam in 1966-67, receiving the Bronze Star with Combat "V", two Purple Hearts and the Vietnamese Cross of Gallantry.
Link

This is also a man who has been visiting wounded soldiers at Bethesda and Walter Reed almost weekly since the war started.

I think it's pretty despicable of people like Dr. Guy to try to smear this man the way he is. His opposition to the war is not part of some vast liberal scheme to discredit Bush. This is a man who has fought for this country several times and has fought for soldiers for 30 years in congress. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt every time when he says he has the best interests of soldiers in mind, as opposed to someone who got like 5 deferments like Cheney did

Just as I find him despicable for wanting to just cut and run in Iraq. So according to this clown, our 2000 soldiers died for what? Nothing? Because if you cut and run now and you invalidate their deaths and their sacrifices.

Demosthenes Locke

on Nov 18, 2005

Forget the 2000 Americans and the other allies losses! Time to pull out!

DG, I'm not taking a side against you here, but this is a pretty weak argument to use, since it's based on emotion and completely flouts logic. I know you're an economist, and this is pretty much a textbook example of a sunk cost.

Nothing, nothing can be done to bring those dead back, but there are many good, logical reasons to continue the fight, although I'm kind of on the fence presently. Logical arguments are certainly better since they are more likely to stick with a person, rather than appealing to emotion which fades rather quickly. That just means you have to keep making the same argument repeatedly, or people become less concerned with it.

DJBandit

on Nov 18, 2005

Is it not reasonable to believe that to support the troops the sooner we pull out the fewer will die?

Supporting troops mean that you are behind them when they believe they are doing the right thing. You sound to me like the kind of person who convinces a friend to throw a party at his house only to leave him to clean up alone.

Whether we went to war for the right or wrong reasons it would be unmoral to just walk out on these people who ATM depend on use to regain what is left of their lives and begin to start a new one. I would like to see how you react when someone promisses to help you out with something only to leave you hanging.

DJBandit

on Nov 18, 2005

Yes, and it's an especially low blow to try to paint Murtha as someone who "detests" the troops. This is man with impeccable military credentials;

A man with such high credentials who has been in the same shoes as those in Iraq ATM should be the first one to acknowledge that a "Strategical Withdrawal", as someone else put it, would be an insult to everything they worked hard for and the sacrifces they have made like being far away from their families for long periods or time, missing every birthday, holiday and even death of loved ones, missing births of their own children, not being able to say goodbye before lossing their lives, not being able to even touch their newborns before giving up their lives to give people from another part of the world a chance to takes the same life they get to live everyday in the US. I guess all that doesn't matter.

Not one person here has given a good enough excuse to say that our boys need to come home for the right reasons. Whether they were sent in for the wrong reasons or not, in the end they are doing a good thing for the people of Iraq and the that should not be ignored.

I am ashamed to think that some Americans only value the Freedom they enjoy everydays but don't feel that others deserve it as well and that sacrifising ourselves to give others the oportunity to enjoy it as well is a waste of time. How do we ever expect to make this world a better place for our children when we are not able to sacrifice ourselves to accomplish that goal, instead we are selfish and only think of ourselves.

Dr Guy

on Nov 18, 2005

I'm not questioning my masters, because I have no masters, you fool.

The only warning you are going to get. Dont come on my blog and start calling me names. The Black list feature works very well.

That being said, I know you are wrong, because you cant make a point without resorting to name calling. It is not I who is deluded. It is you.

Dr Guy

on Nov 18, 2005

The problem with your statement is that the administration has not given any indiaction that this "war" will ever end. There will always be terrorism, especially in the middle east. The people that I personally know that have served in Iraq or have in the past feel that they completed the mission that they were sent there to do.

I dont remember Truman giving a time table either. WHy are you not yelling for that one? How about Bosnia? We were given a timetable by your beloved leader. Guess what? We are still there. Your myopia is rampant.

Dr Guy

on Nov 18, 2005

Oh gee whiz, conservatives are just getting desperate now, aren't you?

Uh,no. Murtha is a liberal. Better get a score card is you cant keep the players straight.

Dr Guy

on Nov 18, 2005

Bush has said over and over again what the goals and meaning of victory are. Just because you choose to childishly act as if he hasn't, well, that is your choice.

The Liberal Mantra: If you dont tell me what I WANT to hear, then I cannot hear you.

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