Bush Hits back - Dems Reveal hand

on Nov 20, 2005

Ignorant fucktard? Very nice! You have such a way with the written word.

As I said earlier, I have no interest in proving anything to you. There is no "proving" anything to mindless zealots like you. You will always believe what you want to believe, whether anyone shows you proof. I was responding to Dr. Guy, not you.

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kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

nd as for your stands, perhaps I will start listening when you start critizing your party,

the only party i fully endorse is one i throw. i understand why you have such a difficult time grasping that concept.

you occasionally deny your own obvious commitment to the republican party by claiming to be a conservative although it's clearly not the case. put your substantial archive of past articles to the litmus test (aggressive support for the policies of bush-cheney in opposition to core conservative beliefs).

need i say more?

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

See? You just cannot have a rational debate without spewing hatred. Stupid and naive? Hardly. Exactly what dastardly "deed" did Murtha commit? Having an opinion?

You started the name calling. If stupid and naive are name calling to you, you must fit the profile.

And for your cluelessness, I was using an extreme example (Murtha is not a CMH holder, nor did he kill anyone, get the picture?)

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

because I have no masters, you fool

Try what "shit"?? Disagreeing with you?

YOu know now many people I have blacklisted because they disagree with me? 0. YOu come on here, call me a fool, and then try to tell me how to operate my own blog? I dont see your name on the masthead.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

Oh really? Care to share an example?

He has not yet.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

By blacklisting me like a coward, you've shown you have no interest in interacting with me. Therefore, I will not respond to you regarding my comments that were specifically addressed to someone else.

Oh, so kingbee, stevededalus, Champas Socialist, Manopeace, texas Wahine, Zoomba, Dabe, Wise Fawn, Myrrander are all conservatives? (among others). Want to tell them that? I think they would have a disagreement with you. I do not blacklist for diagreement. I do blacklist for stupidity and insulting behaviour. You dont like it? Buy Stardock and kick my ass off. Otherwise, either buy a clue, or stop the crap. You are wrong, and now you are trying to pretend you are the injured party.

Try again. You make a poor victim.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

"This" is why you were blacklisted!

He has a problem with rational debate. It seems I am not the only one he cannot debate and must insult instead.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

There is no "proving" anything to mindless zealots like you.

Yes there is. That is called debate, and not name calling. You can do a lot of the latter, and I have yet to see any of the former.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

put your substantial archive of past articles to the litmus test (aggressive support for the policies of bush-cheney in opposition to core conservative beliefs).

Sure! Show me. I have criticized republicans, conservatives and Bush. not often as I dont need to since the left here at JU are so eager to do it. I dont like writing 'me too' articles, so I leave them to you, but to imply I blindly follow Bush and Republicans is to truly be naive about what I do write. I will be the first to admit that MOST of my articles are criticizing and making fun of the left. That is because they supply so much ammunition!

BTW: Welcome to the conservative side! At least Davad70 thinks you are one.

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COL Gene

on Nov 21, 2005

I bet there is not one of you Bushies on Joeuser that can come close to Rep. Murtha's service. Below is the letter I sent him today.

Rep. John P. Murtha
2423 Rayburn House Office Bldg.
Washington, D.C. 20515-3812

Dear Congressman Murtha:

Congratulations on being willing to stand up and offer an alternate policy for Iraq. Prior to retirement my wife and I were lifelong residents of Pennsylvania. We still own a second home in PA. I have included a copy of the book I wrote which contains my biography to give you some indication of my background.

The way the Iraq War was conducted after Saddam fell has been a disaster. Bush failed to listen to the military that knew what was required to conduct this war and as a result we NEVER were able to establish internal security, control the borders or the ammo dumps, eliminate the pockets from where the insurgents operated or to safeguard the infrastructure. That is because Bush did not provide anything close to the number of forces required. Our troops have become the major source of the discontent and are helping the terrorists recruit more radical Moslems to battle America and the West. This war has not made us safer and there is no assurance that we will be able to restore security in Iraq. Only the Iraqi people can secure Iraq! That is why I believe your suggestion should be debated by Congress and form the basis for a new strategy in Iraq. Stay the course, when it is the wrong course, is not the right answer.

In addition to ending U.S. involvement in this war, we must understand what intelligence that did not support going to war, was not known when Congress voted for the Iraq War Resolution. It is also essential Congress understand WHY they were not made aware of all the intelligence. If the Phase II investigation by the Senate Select Committee shows that there was any effort by the President or members of his administration to limit or preventing intelligence to Congress, we have a different matter and impeachment may be necessary if Bush and or Cheney were involved.

I believe the worst thing is to have placed our brave military is danger with the rational that their sacrifice was to make America Safer when that was not the situation. We should be very proud of the way our military performed. They have not failed America it is their Commander-in-Chief that failed them by sending them to war when there was no danger to our country. President Bush also failed our military by sending them into combat in insufficient numbers and without the needed equipment to help protect them from injury and death.

I wish you the very best and hope the other members of Congress will tell President Bush it is time for a different approach in Iraq.

Sincerely,

Gene P. Abel
COL,USAR Ret.

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Daiwa

on Nov 21, 2005

Our troops are not the major source of discontent, Gene - you just buy into the Al-Jazeera spin because you want to, it suits your hatred of Bush - the targets of the "insurgents" are overwhelmingly Iraqis, not our GI's.

Cheers,
Daiwa

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

Reply By: COL Gene

Davad70 says you are a conservative, and you NEVER disagree with me! You could have fooled me!

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Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

Our troops are not the major source of discontent, Gene - you just buy into the Al-Jazeera spin because you want to, it suits your hatred of Bush - the targets of the "insurgents" are overwhelmingly Iraqis, not our GI's.

But Iraqi blood is not red, so they dont count to the Bush haters.

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DJBandit

on Nov 21, 2005

I bet there is not one of you Bushies on Joeuser that can come close to Rep. Murtha's service. Below is the letter I sent him today.

Rep. John P. Murtha
2423 Rayburn House Office Bldg.
Washington, D.C. 20515-3812

Dear Congressman Murtha:

Congratulations on being willing to stand up and offer an alternate policy for Iraq. Prior to retirement my wife and I were lifelong residents of Pennsylvania. We still own a second home in PA. I have included a copy of the book I wrote which contains my biography to give you some indication of my background.

The way the Iraq War was conducted after Saddam fell has been a disaster. Bush failed to listen to the military that knew what was required to conduct this war and as a result we NEVER were able to establish internal security, control the borders or the ammo dumps, eliminate the pockets from where the insurgents operated or to safeguard the infrastructure. That is because Bush did not provide anything close to the number of forces required. Our troops have become the major source of the discontent and are helping the terrorists recruit more radical Moslems to battle America and the West. This war has not made us safer and there is no assurance that we will be able to restore security in Iraq. Only the Iraqi people can secure Iraq! That is why I believe your suggestion should be debated by Congress and form the basis for a new strategy in Iraq. Stay the course, when it is the wrong course, is not the right answer.

In addition to ending U.S. involvement in this war, we must understand what intelligence that did not support going to war, was not known when Congress voted for the Iraq War Resolution. It is also essential Congress understand WHY they were not made aware of all the intelligence. If the Phase II investigation by the Senate Select Committee shows that there was any effort by the President or members of his administration to limit or preventing intelligence to Congress, we have a different matter and impeachment may be necessary if Bush and or Cheney were involved.

I believe the worst thing is to have placed our brave military is danger with the rational that their sacrifice was to make America Safer when that was not the situation. We should be very proud of the way our military performed. They have not failed America it is their Commander-in-Chief that failed them by sending them to war when there was no danger to our country. President Bush also failed our military by sending them into combat in insufficient numbers and without the needed equipment to help protect them from injury and death.

I wish you the very best and hope the other members of Congress will tell President Bush it is time for a different approach in Iraq.

Sincerely,

Gene P. Abel
COL,USAR Ret.

Say what you want, that is the best ass kissing I have read in a long time. It's one thing to agree with someone elses point of view, but you came short of asking for a job with this person. And tell me why exactly do I have to come close to anyones service record, or are you suggesting that only people with high service record can have an opinion of people with high service records? So you did a good job in the military, does that make you a better person than me, does that mean that I am inferior to you, does that mean that if I goof up I do not deserve a good life? Are you saying that you have a perfect record military or civil, that you have never made poor choices, mistakes or stupidities?

I'm soryy, but as a military man you have lost my respect. I have always been thankful for all those men and women in the military forces because they fight for me and for what I have, but to dare to compare me with someone else, simply cause they have what I don't, to make me look bad is an insult and I expected more from a military person. I guess I was wrong.

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ParaTed2k

on Nov 21, 2005

Colon Gangrene:

I bet there is not one of you Bushies on Joeuser that can come close to Rep. Murtha's service. Below is the letter I sent him today.

The difference between most vets and you, we don't expect people to bow down and genuflect to us for our service. It is part of who we are, but far from the extent of who we are. But I also don't expect you to understand, Swingline man.