Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

In an message of peace, to all the right thinking people of the world, the President of Iran called for the eradication of Israel.  This is not some tin pot crackpot, this is the leader of a {sovereign} nation calling for a Pyrrhic annihilation of another country, for no other reason than they do not believe as he does.  He goes further to call for a war against any country that recognizes Israel, which means I guess they are going to target their Muslim brothers in Countries Like Turkey, Indonesia and Egypt.

While reading this zealots statements, I was struck with something that has been brought up in the past about Christianity.  Many apologists for these 'bacteria' (Nods to Ted for the term) compare their Jihad with the mid-evil crusades of the Christians (Catholics back then since the reformation had not occurred).   And some even point to Northern Ireland as another example of religion gone insane.

Both are terrible examples of zealotry in the pursuit of purity (another might also add the Spanish Inquisition).  But the primary difference between those catastrophes and the new Muslim hatred, is that none of them intentionally targeted their brothers in belief.  But as we see in Iraq, Afghanistan and now Iran, these zealots don't care if you share their beliefs, if you are tainted, they you are a target.

Right now, most Muslim nations are marginalized to their own cesspools, so the only real target of their hatred is their fellow believers.  And guess what?  They are killing them by the scores!

The western world has a cliché.  Almost a truism one would say. "Don't cut off your nose to spite your face."  It basically means don't lash out in anger randomly when you are in the path of your kill zone.  Except for a few crazies, most people on earth realize this to be a very wise cliché. 

Not so the zealots of Islam.  And as sad as it is that so many people die, they are only sabotaging their own racist agenda.  They are killing their future converts.

I don't see a need to bomb Iran back into the stone age for 2 reasons.  The first is that they are progressing back to it all on their own, with no help for anyone else.  The other is that with a few well placed lies, and framing of evidence, we can get them to kill themselves.  Just indicate that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad  donated and supported a few Jewish Institutions, and let his 'followers' rip his heart out.

We will supply the pigs blood to ensure he knows where he is going when he dies.


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on Oct 27, 2005

Dr Guy, it's a good article, but what's with the title? It makes it sound like you think all Muslims are that way. And I know you don't think that, so why try to create that impression?

Noted and Clarified.

on Oct 27, 2005

Ask yourself how the fascist governments of the middle east would deal with neighborhoods with bomb making factories in them.

I think you can answer that question by looking at the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank.  And Jordan is not one of the more rabid Arab States.

on Oct 27, 2005

Champas, your comment is PERFECT. I was lookng for words to put here but you did it for both of us. Thank you.

I dont expect every Muslim to stand up and defy these loons.  Why does everyone think that Christians must constantly be standing up to the likes of the Gaede Twins, David Duke, Bob Jones, et. al.?

Because if we dont, it lends credance to the myth that Christians are still on a crusade against Infidels.  Only by Standing up and marginalizing these loons that claim Christianity can we hope to convince the rest of the world that the True Religion of Christianity, whatever its brutal past, is a religion of Peace and love.

That is a Christian viewpoint of their religion.  If we can do it, they can to.  No one said it was easy, but fighting racism and hatred never is.

on Oct 27, 2005

This war will end when either side has accomplished their goals. Israel will either have killed every single Palestinian terrorist or the Palestinians will have killed every single Jewish kid.

I hope you are wrong.  While it is not the land of Milk and Honey, There has been some progress with the death of Yassar Arafat.  Hopefully, that is the spark that is needed for people to start living, and stop being envious of who they are not.

on Oct 27, 2005
Doc... I truly appreciate the change in title.... thanks!
on Oct 27, 2005

Israel doesnt fight fair, thus Palestine doesnt fight fair.

I get the impression it is the other way around.  I dont see Israel initiating many conflicts, just reacting when attacked first.  I dont see them rounding up a bunch of Palestinian Children against he Wailing wall and shooting them either.

on Oct 27, 2005

Turkey (which Israel was then a part of) didn't mind Jewish immigrants. In fact the sultan invited them (your exile is over).

INteresting bit of history.

on Oct 27, 2005

is one of the believers in the Jewish minority doctrine

A serious question. Is that a true doctrine?  Or just a synopsis of the current situation?

on Oct 27, 2005

Doc... I truly appreciate the change in title.... thanks!

Well, since Khomeni, the Iranians really have lost it.  The Chinese are the only ones that are their buddies, and that is just to stir things up for the US.  The Chinese think they are dung - pretty much what they think of any non-Chinese.  The Iranians are just too stupid to understand that.  They exchanged one master (the Shah) for another.  At least the Shah was one of them.

on Oct 27, 2005
The Shah at least tried to make things better in Iran.

Iran does have Syria as an ally, but Syria seems to fall behind.

OTOH Iran might just have started the ultimate middle east peace process. By threatening Israel and Arab countries they have finally managed to get France on Israel's side and the Arabs might actually reconsider who the worst enemy is!



A serious question. Is that a true doctrine? Or just a synopsis of the current situation?


It is indeed a true doctrine. Before World War II many Jews even subscribed to it and chose Germany (!) as the host country of choice (for Ashkenazi Jews). The Jewish Reform movement officially supported it and was anti-Zionist. But German and Arab behaviour towards their Jewish minorities ended Jewish faith in the doctrine.

On the other side the same doctrine (ironically) is often employed by those who have also seen what happened to Jewish minorities but who still support the idea that the Jewish minority was a working model.

(The model does work in English-speaking countries!)
on Oct 27, 2005

(The model does work in English-speaking countries!)

Thanks for the education.  I had never heard of it.

With the advent of the Internet, maybe we can get every country to speak English?  Except France of Course.

on Oct 27, 2005
Not surprisingly, Israel a little peeved by the statements..
Link
Interesting quote:
"Since the United Nations was established in 1945, there has never been a head of state that is a U.N. member state that publicly called for the elimination of another U.N. member state"

There's been a lot of condemnation of the statements from the usual countries, US, UK, Spain, Germany..etc. What I haven't seen is any comment from the other countries in that region. Seems like most of them are on the fence or want to appear that way.
on Oct 27, 2005
There is good and bad in every religion! Not all muslims hate israel etc... Would it be fair if someone were to come along and said christianity is full of hateful people based on the KKK adopting christianity and claiming that they are religious god fearing people?


You know, to be honest I've met a lot of muslims here in the US and 2 things always comes out
1 They hate Bush (The prez)
2 They hate Israel and think US unfairly supports them


Like you said you can't say all but I think we are talking about the Large majority here
on Oct 27, 2005

"Since the United Nations was established in 1945, there has never been a head of state that is a U.N. member state that publicly called for the elimination of another U.N. member state"

I wonder if that is true.  It sounds like it could be.  After all, The Koreas were not part of the UN back in the 50s.  And I dont think Saddam actually called for the elimination of Kuwait, he just annexed it.

on Oct 27, 2005

You know, to be honest I've met a lot of muslims here in the US and 2 things always comes out
1 They hate Bush (The prez)
2 They hate Israel and think US unfairly supports them

I have not met a lot, but the few that I have usually.

1. Dont care much (very apolitical)

2. Dont have an opinion.  Israel is not a threat to them living in the US.

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