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Published on January 26, 2006 By Dr Guy In Current Events

In what can only be a hilarious rebuke to the city of Chicago, Wal Mart is opening a store one block outside of the city limits after being denied the right to open one in the city.  Now all of us have been regaled with stories of how horrid and horrible Wal-Mart is, and how oppressive to their employees they are.  So in a city (just outside) with a reputation of Unionization like Chicago, one would think they would be stupid to build and operate a store.  The Pickets alone would be bad publicity.

But something strange happened on the way to the picket line.  25,000 (yes, 3 zeros) applied for the 325 jobs!  This far surpasses their old record when they built in Oakland of 11,000, or what a Wal-Mart spokesman called a successful opening of 3,000 applicants.  25,000!  And all but 500 listed Chicago as their home!

The Alderman (why does Chicago call their Council members aldermen?) that tried to get Wal-Mart in Chicago itself laments the fact that most of the shoppers are going to be coming from Chicago, but Chicago is not going to get any of the benefits.  Indeed, the little township that won the prize is expected to reap a bonus of $1 million in sales taxes a year from the store alone.  And they currently only get $3 million a year from all other sources!  A very hefty winfall!

Why Chicago rejected Wal Mart was not made clear in the article, but in reading some of the comments, it appears to be political infighting among the aldermen.  Only a couple are actually quoted.  But it does seem to be penny wise and pound foolish for all the alderman to have just chucked that much additional revenue out the door due to some petty internal squabbling.

And the 25,000 people eagerly looking for jobs?  I doubt they care what side of the street the store is located on.  They voted for Wal-Mart with their actions, and seem to be saying "Pays good, Benefits better".  And not "Bad Big Wally World".

So who gets hurt when you deny the market place?  The lesson here, is your Constituents.


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on Jan 26, 2006
I misunderstood your intent Gid... You're referencing the folks that don't want to work, and know that by applying at Walmart will be rejected for one reason or another, there by allowing them to maintain their unemployment or city/state/fed'l assistance.

In that case, I agree, and that would be applicable in any city where any large stores exist, not just Walmart.
on Jan 26, 2006

I understand the ramifications surrounding location.

My comment was mostly aimed at Benuser, and I just followed up your comment on it.  I just thought that saying one community would be destroyed while another one would not be was a bit hypocritical.

I shop Wal-Mart rarely.  Not because I have anything against them morally, but because they pissed me off once.  So I avoid them if at all possible (and mostly it is possible - except for those stupid 15 popcorn tins my wife wanted to give away for Christmas!).

on Jan 26, 2006

There are many within the community with a "welfare mentality", and, as welfare to work and unemployment requirements both stipulate that you need be actively looking for work, what better place to apply if you want to keep receiving aid than a place where you KNOW you'll be rejected?

AHA!  Yes, all those application I got so that the people could fulfill their Unemployment requirements.

Like Titan, I missed your original intent.  Good point.

on Jan 27, 2006
Actually, 8 bucks an hour is not bad.

Oh, okay, I see your perspective.

I think eight bucks an hour isn't all that great.
on Jan 27, 2006

Oh, okay, I see your perspective.

I think eight bucks an hour isn't all that great.

Not for a professional.  But retail hires minimally skilled people.  So $8 is not bad for what is essentially "smile" and brainless work.

on Jan 27, 2006
I shop Wal-Mart rarely. Not because I have anything against them morally, but because they pissed me off once. So I avoid them if at all possible (and mostly it is possible - except for those stupid 15 popcorn tins my wife wanted to give away for Christmas!).


Oooooh, you better hope she doesn't see this.

I shop at walmart often, well actually, I live inside walmart. I can't help the fact that I can get almost everything I need in a single trip. But that's just me.
on Jan 27, 2006
Darn.
on Jan 27, 2006

Oooooh, you better hope she doesn't see this.

nah!  She knows where I got the popcorn tins.

Or do you mean the stupid part?

on Jan 27, 2006

Reply By: DJBanditPosted: Friday, January 27, 2006
Darn.

Dont sweat it. I took care of the  hiccups hiccups hiccups.

on Jan 27, 2006
Dont sweat it. I took care of the hiccups hiccups hiccups.


I get this server error and end up repeating the same thing over and over.

And yes I mean the stupid part. I don't know a woman who doesn't get mad when we think something they do is stupid. I know very few men who get mad when women think we do something stupid. I sure don't care. But this is way off topic. Or is it?
on Jan 27, 2006

And yes I mean the stupid part. I don't know a woman who doesn't get mad when we think something they do is stupid. I know very few men who get mad when women think we do something stupid. I sure don't care. But this is way off topic. Or is it?

She is not looking so I will say it is on topic.

{whack}

Sorry dear!

on Jan 27, 2006
sorry I caught the tail end of this one.

a)
Wal-Mart is not evil. 6 -9 dollars an hour is not great, but for what is required of you, its actually just fine. It is called an entry level job for that reason (although, personally I believe that an entry level job should actually allow for moving up rather than just allowing someone to stay at 8 an hour forever even though they work hard and are educated/go to school)


wal-mart is not evil. small businesses will be swallowed whole and traditions lost. The main problem' people see with places like wal-mart, target, and fast food chains is that small business and imagination is what this country is built on. You want small businesses to thrive and be able to continue to be built. so its not really about economics, its about tradition and making sure small business can grow and exist for future market possibilities.
on Jan 28, 2006

sorry I caught the tail end of this one.

Never too late, and both points are well taken.  And right.

on Jan 28, 2006
I'm not a big Walmart basher, but it's fact that they don't pay much and the benefits are paltry. So why would employed people be standing in line to get a job there?


Have you checked what "minimum wage is lately? I don't think so. Here:


Minimum Wage Laws in the States - January 1, 2006

Illinois Minimum Wage Rates ILLINOIS Future
Effective
Date Basic
Minimum Rate
(per hour) Premium Pay After
Designated Hours 2
Daily Weekly
(Applicable to employers of 4 or more employees, excluding family members) $6.50 40



I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.
on Jan 28, 2006

I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.

Actually Wal-Mart is governed by Federal law, so it is 5.15 vs $8.  But in either case, it is a big chunk of change. Unless you want to be on welfare as some do.

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