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Published on January 26, 2006 By Dr Guy In Current Events

In what can only be a hilarious rebuke to the city of Chicago, Wal Mart is opening a store one block outside of the city limits after being denied the right to open one in the city.  Now all of us have been regaled with stories of how horrid and horrible Wal-Mart is, and how oppressive to their employees they are.  So in a city (just outside) with a reputation of Unionization like Chicago, one would think they would be stupid to build and operate a store.  The Pickets alone would be bad publicity.

But something strange happened on the way to the picket line.  25,000 (yes, 3 zeros) applied for the 325 jobs!  This far surpasses their old record when they built in Oakland of 11,000, or what a Wal-Mart spokesman called a successful opening of 3,000 applicants.  25,000!  And all but 500 listed Chicago as their home!

The Alderman (why does Chicago call their Council members aldermen?) that tried to get Wal-Mart in Chicago itself laments the fact that most of the shoppers are going to be coming from Chicago, but Chicago is not going to get any of the benefits.  Indeed, the little township that won the prize is expected to reap a bonus of $1 million in sales taxes a year from the store alone.  And they currently only get $3 million a year from all other sources!  A very hefty winfall!

Why Chicago rejected Wal Mart was not made clear in the article, but in reading some of the comments, it appears to be political infighting among the aldermen.  Only a couple are actually quoted.  But it does seem to be penny wise and pound foolish for all the alderman to have just chucked that much additional revenue out the door due to some petty internal squabbling.

And the 25,000 people eagerly looking for jobs?  I doubt they care what side of the street the store is located on.  They voted for Wal-Mart with their actions, and seem to be saying "Pays good, Benefits better".  And not "Bad Big Wally World".

So who gets hurt when you deny the market place?  The lesson here, is your Constituents.


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on Jan 26, 2006
I think I read in another article that they are paying about $8/hr up there, but it (the article) did not reference this store, so that may just be an average (starting) for the Mid-West.


Even if we assume that they're paying them $8, do you know what the cost of living is like in Chicago? Do you know how much a one bedroom apt goes for in Chicago?
on Jan 26, 2006
Yes, I'm sure that majority of the 25,000 were people who were on their lunch breaks from their jobs with Fortune 500 companies.


Ever heard of a second job? Not everyone who has one job looks for a second job out of necesity, more like ambition. They can't get the high paying jobs so they get 2 lower paying jobs, more hours but also more money. I should know, cause I have a job, $9.50 and hour, and I wouldn't mind a 2nd job for those extra electronic expenses I dream a lot about.

I'm not a big Walmart basher, but it's fact that they don't pay much and the benefits are paltry. So why would employed people be standing in line to get a job there?


Maybe not to you, but to those who can use the extra money, sure. I believe I answered you question with my previous paragraph. Look just because you don't need the extra money doesn't mean they don't.

The article did not comment on (nor do I think Wal-Mart knows) if any are unemployed.


They might know since these people usually have to put previous job info, including any current ones. But that would be only after they reviewed the applications.
on Jan 26, 2006
Even if we assume that they're paying them $8, do you know what the cost of living is like in Chicago? Do you know how much a one bedroom apt goes for in Chicago?


I actually do. Link


Not bad, almost the same as Florida. But you do also have efficiency options and if a couple then both should work. I really wish you stop making excuses. There's a reason 25,000 people applied and I bet they probably pay more rent than most of those places I posted.
on Jan 26, 2006

I work "in retail", so I know what's good and not good "in retail".

I worked there 12 years.  SO I know as well.  I have never worked for Wal-Mart, nor do I intend to.  But a lot of people want to.

on Jan 26, 2006
Not bad, almost the same as Florida. But you do also have efficiency options and if a couple then both should work. I really wish you stop making excuses. There's a reason 25,000 people applied and I bet they probably pay more rent than most of those places I posted.


Yes, I'm sure they do pay more than the places you listed, considering most of the reasonable ones are in "da hood".
on Jan 26, 2006
DJ,

And as I mentioned before in a thread about DC (which, from the ensuing researchh I found to be significantly more expensive than Chicago), there are plenty of rental opportunities that are "off the map" that you have to know the community to get. For instance, in the summer of 1993, we rented a clean, 5 bedroom place for $600 a month. It was the upper two floors of an elderly lady's three story home, and was close to two different "el" lines, and had several of the type of restaurants in Chicago that make it cheaper for a single person to eat out than to eat in (for instance, a HUGE burrito...big enough for two meals for $3). We had five of us in that place, and we lived the high life for awhile...at a rate FAR below the average rental prices in Chicago.

I don't know where the WalMart's located, but I would guess that many of the 25,000 are applying because it will save them a 45 minute commute into the city for other jobs.
on Jan 26, 2006
Why Chicago rejected Wal Mart was not made clear in the article, but in reading some of the comments, it appears to be political infighting among the aldermen.


If I had to guess, their decision reflected the supposed long arm of union labor, soon to be cut off. I don't care what anyone says about Wal Mart... They bring customer value, "stable" jobs for hard work, and a contributing cash-cow to the coffers of the communities they build in while reflecting the core of our economic structure in action....supply and demand.

but it's fact that they don't pay much and the benefits are paltry. So why would employed people be standing in line to get a job there?


Are you assuming their employed? I read nothing in Guy's article. In answer though, many city folks desire moving to the burbs... For most, that can only be done if they have a job in the burbs to go to. Then consider those folks that like to work hard, earn fair wages in good working conditions. Others prefer a job verses unemployed and or wondering "if" they will find a higher paying job if they wait. Most hourly folks are not cut out to wait.

Also apply some fiscal thinking. Staying unemployed for months with outgoing expenses and no incoming, even if one gets a higher paying hourly job, it's not going to be that much greater when all costs are considered. Say it takes 3-5 months just to find a decent job, add another 3-6 months for a better paying job, they have outgoing for 4-9 months. Factor in the average hourly lives paycheck to paycheck. Where do you think folks in this income will get the cash flow to cover that length period of unemployment? The person that waits for that has -0- reasoning and likely more mental problems then just that. The increase won't remotely offset accumulated monthly expenses or repayment of borrowed monies and or replace their small depleted savings accounts, if they had one.

I applaud those that won the jobs.... And, would tell those that didn't, think about what you didn't do or say so the next time, you're a winner instead of looser.

on Jan 26, 2006

Even if we assume that they're paying them $8, do you know what the cost of living is like in Chicago? Do you know how much a one bedroom apt goes for in Chicago?

Does it matter?  Apparently the pay scale for Wal-Mart in Chicago is better than most other entry level jobs, and the people know it.  I wouldthink you would slam the other employers for not paying as well as Wal-Mart.  Not for Wal -mart paying too much.

on Jan 26, 2006

They might know since these people usually have to put previous job info, including any current ones. But that would be only after they reviewed the applications.

Truie.  It will be interesting if they ever publish any stats on the applications.

on Jan 26, 2006

Not bad, almost the same as Florida. But you do also have efficiency options and if a couple then both should work. I really wish you stop making excuses. There's a reason 25,000 people applied and I bet they probably pay more rent than most of those places I posted.

Looks better than Richmond!

on Jan 26, 2006

Yes, I'm sure they do pay more than the places you listed, considering most of the reasonable ones are in "da hood".

But not all if you did the search.  And if they are the second bread winner, or this is a second job, it sure is reasonable.

on Jan 26, 2006

I don't know where the WalMart's located, but I would guess that many of the 25,000 are applying because it will save them a 45 minute commute into the city for other jobs.

That may be worth the job in itself!  I can tell you that location makes a difference when it comes to pay.  I will accept a lower paying job in a better location just for the convenience.

on Jan 26, 2006
I wouldthink you would slam the other employers for not paying as well as Wal-Mart. Not for Wal -mart paying too much.


Yeah, that's exactly what I did; slam Walmart for paying too much. You really have a gift for reading between the lines.
on Jan 26, 2006

Say it takes 3-5 months just to find a decent job, add another 3-6 months for a better paying job,

I have been laid off twice, and fortunately, in both cases, I was on the low end of the time scale (4 months and 3 months).  But in both cases, I took a job for a lot less than I had been making.  The first time, I was a pay check to pay check person, and it was rough.  The second time, I had a next egg (and a good employer that gave me a very good severance package), so it was not hard.  But when you are looking at the money drain, you stop thinking increased salary and start thinking "what can I afford to take".

on Jan 26, 2006
I can tell you that location makes a difference when it comes to pay.


EXACTLY. And, in Chicago at least, a lot of professionals live in the suburbs, work in the city. Their spouses also work, and two people commuting means one thing: latchkey kids. I would be interested to see a breakdown of these applicants. My guess is that a strong majority are spouses that can earn some extra money and yet take advantage of flexible scheduling to be home when the kids are home.
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