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Published on January 26, 2006 By Dr Guy In Current Events

In what can only be a hilarious rebuke to the city of Chicago, Wal Mart is opening a store one block outside of the city limits after being denied the right to open one in the city.  Now all of us have been regaled with stories of how horrid and horrible Wal-Mart is, and how oppressive to their employees they are.  So in a city (just outside) with a reputation of Unionization like Chicago, one would think they would be stupid to build and operate a store.  The Pickets alone would be bad publicity.

But something strange happened on the way to the picket line.  25,000 (yes, 3 zeros) applied for the 325 jobs!  This far surpasses their old record when they built in Oakland of 11,000, or what a Wal-Mart spokesman called a successful opening of 3,000 applicants.  25,000!  And all but 500 listed Chicago as their home!

The Alderman (why does Chicago call their Council members aldermen?) that tried to get Wal-Mart in Chicago itself laments the fact that most of the shoppers are going to be coming from Chicago, but Chicago is not going to get any of the benefits.  Indeed, the little township that won the prize is expected to reap a bonus of $1 million in sales taxes a year from the store alone.  And they currently only get $3 million a year from all other sources!  A very hefty winfall!

Why Chicago rejected Wal Mart was not made clear in the article, but in reading some of the comments, it appears to be political infighting among the aldermen.  Only a couple are actually quoted.  But it does seem to be penny wise and pound foolish for all the alderman to have just chucked that much additional revenue out the door due to some petty internal squabbling.

And the 25,000 people eagerly looking for jobs?  I doubt they care what side of the street the store is located on.  They voted for Wal-Mart with their actions, and seem to be saying "Pays good, Benefits better".  And not "Bad Big Wally World".

So who gets hurt when you deny the market place?  The lesson here, is your Constituents.


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on Jan 29, 2006
I think you'll find that $8 an hour is FAR more than $6.50 per. That is unless you flunked math.


Actually doc no it's not! Illinois is one of the "few" states where minimum wage is "more" than federal. So my comment stands @ 6.50 per. Link
on Jan 31, 2006
Only in the world of the left could 50% over minimum be considered "slightly better".
You sound as though you live in the third world.

if you want to keep receiving aid than a place where you KNOW you'll be rejected?
What a cynical statement!
on Jan 31, 2006
I believe that an entry level job should actually allow for moving up rather than just allowing someone to stay at 8 an hour forever
Aye, there's the rub despite Guy's estimation that it's a nice bit of cash.
on Jan 31, 2006
Heh, I wonder how much of this is genuine concern for employees and local retailers, and how much is pocket-lining the Daley syndicate by other retail chains...
on Jan 31, 2006
What a cynical statement!


You call it cynical, I call it factual. Unless I had a life history of repeatedly encountering statistical anomalies, there are a fair percentage of lower income unemployed and welfare recipients who do just that. Please remember, I've lived among the poor all of my life, and while these people are by no means among the majority even anecdotally, they're a substantial enough portion of the population to bear mentioning.

And, for the record, at WalMart, one does not "stay" at their entry level pay forever. Unless the manager is not doing his job properly, they will receive annual cost of living increases (of 3, 4, or 5%, depending on one's evaluation), as well as merit pay and the opportunity to apply for better positions as they become open. As a matter of fact, whenever WalMart is hiring management, it is clearly posted on the bulletin boards for all to see.

But the critics of WalMart won't tell you THAT.
on Jan 31, 2006
You sound as though you live in the third world.


No, if I lived in the Third World, even $5.15 an hour would make me pretty wealthy!
on Jan 31, 2006

Actually doc no it's not! Illinois is one of the "few" states where minimum wage is "more" than federal. So my comment stands @ 6.50 per. Link

Ok, it took some looking (it looked like you were debating yourself).  IN any event, even taking your figure, that is a 23% increase, and no one would say a 23% increase was nothing!

on Jan 31, 2006

You sound as though you live in the third world.

How is a 50% increase sounding like living in a third world?  It clearly is much better.  I started out making $1.65/hr.  My First raise (indeed no raise) has been 50% since then.

on Jan 31, 2006

Aye, there's the rub despite Guy's estimation that it's a nice bit of cash.

No rub.  Many of the Wal Mart Managers started out on the line.  But then many of the Wal Mart Cashiers do not want to put in the time and effort to move up.  They are content with their salary and work.

on Jan 31, 2006

Heh, I wonder how much of this is genuine concern for employees and local retailers, and how much is pocket-lining the Daley syndicate by other retail chains...

If so, those other retailers just got the shaft.

on Jan 31, 2006

And, for the record, at WalMart, one does not "stay" at their entry level pay forever. Unless the manager is not doing his job properly, they will receive annual cost of living increases (of 3, 4, or 5%, depending on one's evaluation), as well as merit pay and the opportunity to apply for better positions as they become open. As a matter of fact, whenever WalMart is hiring management, it is clearly posted on the bulletin boards for all to see.

This is true of all Retailers.  Yet what they opponents (read: Unions) do not tell you is that once the Union gets in, there are no more promotions.  Offering a promotion would be akin to offering a bribe, so the stores avoid it like the plague.

on Jan 31, 2006

No, if I lived in the Third World, even $5.15 an hour would make me pretty wealthy!

Especially when a buck a day is the norm - often with no social safety net either.

on Jan 31, 2006
Especially when a buck a day is the norm - often with no social safety net either.


Yup...20% of the world lives on a buck a day or less. Considering that minimum wage is about 40 TIMES that standard, I'd say we've moved in the right direction.
on Jan 31, 2006
With all the conjecture regarding pay at WalMart one category of employee is over looked by the nay sayers...the Walmart Greeter. Avearge is 70 years+ and many are handicapped in one fashion or another yet want to be valued and work.

In my book, anybody that shows respect and appreciation for our elderly by giving them jobs, gets my vote as a worthy contributor in our society. To add, WalMart was the "1st" in New Orleans to over come all obstacles to open some stores and insure shelves were stocked for everybody.
on Jan 31, 2006

With all the conjecture regarding pay at WalMart one category of employee is over looked by the nay sayers...the Walmart Greeter. Avearge is 70 years+ and many are handicapped in one fashion or another yet want to be valued and work.

Only 20 years to go before I am a Greeter!  I cant see not going to work at least some days a week!

Good point.

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