Murtha has been getting "slammed" by "PA VOTERS" for his mouth! And they are the ones that count.

I will go one further.  Col Klink, why dont you post the letter you sent Oliver North?  I would very much like to see it.

while you may not be a blindly partisan as drmiler or island pup, all one need do is skim thru the titles of your articles for a week...at most two...to know which one of us is fooling himself.

Why did you not quote the whole quote?  I clearly admitted my articles are biased to the right.  I never denied it.  But you only have to go back a few to find some articles bashing the extreme right as well.  I have yet to see anything from you bashing the extreme left.

Mr. Pot, I suggest you take a look in the mirror before addressing Mr. Kettle.

The Bush supporters HAVE trashed the service of Vets that do not agree with his policies. Sen McCain, The former disabled congressman from Georga and when Rep Murtha was called a coward on the House Floor. Also Amb Wilson who said Bush was wrong about Saddam trying to purchase Yellow cake. It was Bush that was incorrect about that not Wilson.

Iraq gets worse every day. The generals are now saying we do not have the troops to sustain 150,000 troops in Iraq without total mobilization of the Guard and reserve or they would need to send troops over for a 4th or even 5th tour. That is because Bush ignored his own admission in 2000 that the Military was too small and then did not nothing to correct the problem he identified for the last 5 years.

The Bush supporters HAVE trashed the service of Vets that do not agree with his policies. Sen McCain, The former disabled congressman from Georga and when Rep Murtha was called a coward on the House Floor. Also Amb Wilson who said Bush was wrong about Saddam trying to purchase Yellow cake. It was Bush that was incorrect about that not Wilson.

Get a clue fool! I have NEVER trashed Sen McCain! And just an fyi since you obviously don't listen to the news....Murtha was called a coward by a fellow "MARINE"! There was a letter sent and read on the floor. The text was...."Cowards cut and run, Marines NEVER do!" So if you want to take umbrage with the statement then I would suggest you take it up with the actual person that said it!

This is my letter to VP Cheney for All you Bushies: 20 November 2005 Vice President Dick Cheney After listening to your positions on the Iraq War, I would like to point out a few things. First, you have no business casting dispersions on people that served our nation and do not agree with this war. When it was the time that you could have served in the military you avoided service with five deferments. President Bush sought to avoid service that might have sent him to Vietnam by using his father’s contacts to get into the Texas Air National Guard and then did not meet his obligations during the last two years of his commitment. He then avoided punishment for his failure to obey regulations and obtained an Honorable discharge after failing to attend drills and taking a required physical that resulted in him being grounded. His records that were released by DoD prove both these of these allegations. As we are now learning, there was intelligence that did not support the position you and President Bush took prior to asking Congress to go to war. The intelligence that was used by the Bush administration to justify the war was in many cases incorrect. We need to learn ALL the intelligence that did not support your arguments for war that existed prior to Congress voting for war. We also need to know why Congress was not aware of ALL intelligence prior to being asked to approve the United States attacking Iraq. At the time we attacked Iraq, U N weapons inspectors were in Iraq and if we had allowed them to complete their inspections we would have learned what we know today, Saddam did not WMD. There was no urgency to attack Saddam in late 2002 and we were NEVER made the enforcement agent for the U N Security Council. The president also ignored the military experts that told him we needed at least 300,000 troops to secure Iraq. Generals Shinseki and Franks said that was the force levels required. In fact in Op Plan 1003, which was the planning for the Iraq invasion, Gen. Franks called for first 500,000 troops and then under pressure lowered that to 300,000, in country, when Saddam fell. It is sad that Gen. Franks did not stand his ground and invaded Iraq with less then half the number of troops both he and the Army CoS said were needed. The results were that we did not have the force levels to secure the borders or the Ammo dumps. We could not control all the areas bypassed to reach Baghdad that were hot beds of Saddam forces. We did not have the force levels required to safeguard the infrastructure. We began loosing control in Iraq the day after Saddam fell. This war has not made America Safer and has been fought poorly because Bush would not allow the military experts to properly conduct the war to include the required force levels. Iraq was not a place were terrorists operated prior to our invasion. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Bush wanted to invade Iraq from the start of his administration. The invasion was a topic at his First Cabinet meeting, nine months BEFORE 9/11 according the Paul O’Neil. This was an elective war and at the time we choose to invade we did not have all the protective equipment to help safeguard our military. Rep. Murtha is correct. We need to turn this over to the 25 million Iraqi people the task of securing their country. Gene P. Abel, COL USAR Ret.

And what did your letter to the VP accomplish? Anything? Or nothing?

Reply By: COL GenePosted: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 This is my letter to VP Cheney for All you Bushies: 20 November 2005 Vice President Dick Cheney

I asked for your letter to Oliver North, not Dick Cheney.  Post it on your own blog if you want.  Dont pollute mine with your half truths and hatred.

The text was...."Cowards cut and run, Marines NEVER do!"

That was Moderateman, right?

My letter clearly states the facts.

Yesterday 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish Iraqi leaders for the first called for a time table for ALL foreign forces to pull out of Iraq. Now Bush has members in the new Iraq Government telling him they want a time table to GET OUT. I guess they must all be Democrats. Time for Bush and Cheney to wake up!

Also Amb Wilson who said Bush was wrong about Saddam trying to purchase Yellow cake. It was Bush that was incorrect about that not Wilson.

And as far as this goes....you have a memory problem don't you?

A report based on Wilson's trip was widely disseminated via routine channels on 8 March 2002. (44) This report indicated the the former Prime Minister of Niger was unaware of any Iraqi contracts for yellowcake, but acknowledged that in 1999 Iraq may have been interested in discussing yellowcake sales but the PM "steered the conversation away." Niger's former Minster for Energy said that there had been no yellowcake sales outside of International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) channels since the 1980s. This report also described "how the structure of Niger's uranium mines would make it difficult, if not impossible, for Niger to sell uranium to any rogue states." The consensus expressed in the Senate report was that Wilson's trip provided little or no new information. Thus, the information was not used to "produce any further analytical products" and the CIA did not brief the Vice President on the report. (46)

The above line was said "after" he said this one.

Wilson arrived in Niger on 26 February 2002. After meeting with various government officials, he "reached the same conclusions that the embassy had reached, that it was unlikely that anything was going on." (42) On 1 March 2002, the State Department published an intelligence assessment entitled: Niger: Sale of Uranium to Iraq is Unlikely. The assessment was written in response to interest from the Vice President's office. It was distributed in a routine manner, not directly to the Vice President via special delivery. (42)

Get a clue fool! I have NEVER trashed Sen McCain! And just an fyi since you obviously don't listen to the news....Murtha was called a coward by a fellow "MARINE"! There was a letter sent and read on the floor. The text was...."Cowards cut and run, Marines NEVER do!" So if you want to take umbrage with the statement then I would suggest you take it up with the actual person that said it!

He doesn't get it, trashing the service of a vet means trashing the service itself, his mind is set to think that not agreeing with the Vet and thinking that he's an idiot or something is trashing his service. So just because he fought for my freedom or something means I can't disagree with them? All of a sudden their voice is more important than mine?

Col Gene, I thank you for being part of the military that defends this great country. I thank you for being willing to put your life on the line for my sake and that of my children, family, friends and all the American people. That doesn't mean I will follow you to the ends of the world if I don't agree with your way of thinking. You are taking inot consideration the fact that they have military experience and that it gives them an edge when they have an opinion about the war but what your failing to consider is that they are political people and they use what ever tool or weapon (and I don't mean guns and bombs)they can get their hands on to as a powewr boost to push their agenda. Keep that in mind the next time someone political with a military background comes out to talk about the war and see where else have they voiced their ideas and used their military background as a stepping stone to push it.

Now Bush has members in the new Iraq Government telling him they want a time table to GET OUT

Yes, and did you read the rest of the article?  Or just got hung up on the GET OUT part?

And as far as this goes....you have a memory problem don't you?

I was nice. I only accused him of half truths, not out right lies.  I can believe that Col Klink really beleives Wilson, even after he has been documented to be lying.  After all, some people still think that Clinton did not have sex with that woman.

they are political people and they use what ever tool or weapon (and I don't mean guns and bombs)they can get their hands on to as a powewr boost to push their agenda.

I dont remember the outrage from the left when they were trashing Col Oliver North during his senate run.  He is a very decorated marince officer, who because he does not spout the liberal line, is fair game for them to trash.  But dont touch a liberal!

Bush trashed McCain in the 2000 election. Many members of his administration including the VP and his Press Sec as well as the Bush supporters in Congress trash ANYONE that does not agree with Bush. Yes trashing LTC North was dead wrong as well. That does not make what the GOP has done to military members that do not agree with their bankrupt policies OK. Now that the Iraq government officials, from all three factions, want a time table for us to leave Iraq, it is time to open a discussion on Rep,. Murtha's suggestion!

Bush trashed McCain in the 2000 election.

Might want to provide a link. I dont remember Bush questioning McCain's reputation, just his politics.  And it was politics.