Bush trashed McCain in the 2000 election.

Make up your damn mind would you? First you say Bush supporters, now you're saying Bush. But then again that is to be expected. I called your bluff on the first statement so you had to change it to keep your diatribe going.

The Bush supporters HAVE trashed the service of Vets that do not agree with his policies. Sen McCain,

And just were did you find this piece of trash? Provide a link please or withdaraw your ignorant statement.

Now that the Iraq government officials, from all three factions, want a time table for us to leave Iraq

Bush trashed McCain during the election of 2000. Try this one:



Commentary: Bush turns to men he trashed


By Martin Sieff
UPI Senior News Analyst

Washington, DC, Aug. 12 (UPI) -- Politics make strange bedfellows -- especially when you are finally forced to turn in desperation to two national heroes from your own party.
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Three years after the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, boosted him to stratospheric personal popularity, this has become President George W. Bush's ironic fate in the 2004 presidential election campaign.

With his own luster as a resolute, successful defender of America against Islamic terror unraveling following months of embarrassing revelations topped by the conclusions of the Sept. 11 Commission, the president is now trying to associate himself at every public appearance he can with former New York Mayor Rudi Giuliani and Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.

It is impossible to imagine any two figures in public life Bush would instinctively more wish to avoid. His 2000 presidential campaign trashed McCain in one of the dirtiest campaigns of smears, slander and attempted personal destruction the Republican Party has ever unleashed against one of its own in the South Carolina, New York and Michigan primaries. McCain, whose cherished sister had died of breast cancer, was even accused of opposing increased spending on cancer research through the highly creative twisting of his actual Senate voting record.

Even now, the maverick Arizonan and famous Vietnam War hero continues to embarrass and no doubt infuriate the president at key moments. Only last week, he called the GOP's attempt to trash Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts' heroic Vietnam War record despicable and called on the White House to repudiate it. Bush has not done so.

But McCain still toed the party line enough -- with, no doubt, a desire to have an uncontested re-nomination race when his time comes up for re-election -- to embrace Bush as if he were a buddy from his long years of imprisonment in Vietnam in the notorious "Hanoi Hilton." And Bush, even more remarkably, was happy to return the hug.

The Bush-Cheney '04 campaign's decision to make Giuliani the new central figure in its latest attack strategy against Kerry is even more remarkable: It was not intended or planned as little as a month ago before the Democratic National Convention in Boston.

The Republican National Committee does not turn on a dime, and neither does this particular White House. Both are famous for meticulously planning their campaign strategies years -- in Karl Rove's case even entire election cycles -- ahead of time. Embracing Giuliani and the moderate Northeastern Republicanism that he embodied through the decade before Sept.11 was not among them.

Turning to Giuliani at all, but especially turning to him this late in the day, is an even greater mark of desperation than publicly hugging McCain. For Bush has coldly and calculatedly treated Giuliani as dirt ever since he stepped down on the completion of his second consecutive term as mayor of New York City.

Giuliani's performance in the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks that destroyed the World Trade Center's Twin Towers, killing 2,800 people, was magnificent. The emergency services of the City of New York that day acted not only with exemplary, heartbreaking bravery but also with outstanding efficiency, a quality that has not been evident in the Bush administration's national-security and anti-terror policies, to put it mildly.

Had the city administration of New York that Giuliani had run with an iron hand for nearly eight years not reacted as superbly as it did, the death toll in, around and under the towers could easily have been 30,000, as Giuliani has said.

Yet after Giuliani stepped down as mayor, he was not immediately conscripted to head the CIA, the FBI or the Department of Homeland Security, even though any of these positions would have fitted him perfectly. He was not even given any honorary federal commission to preside over as a figurehead.

For Giuliani had always been a genuinely moderate Northeastern Republican in the tradition of Thomas E. Dewey, Nelson Rockefeller and the president's own father, former president George Herbert Walker Bush. And the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. has always treated such people as worse than lepers -- or even Democrats.

Giuliani's outstanding success in administering the largest city in the nation and his previous first-class record as a crime-busting district attorney gave him the ideal résumé to spearhead the war against al-Qaida and its efforts to penetrate the United States. Yet Bush refused to let him anywhere near those responsibilities.

To quote the Irish poet William Butler Yeats, "All is changed, changed utterly." Giuliani, as the New York Times reported Thursday, "is emerging as a central player in the Bush re-election effort, attacking John Kerry, racing around the country campaigning and directly leveraging the events of Sept. 11 in ways that President Bush and many of his closest allies have not dared."

Will it work? Almost certainly not: Historically, whenever an incumbent president has been forced to rely on the charisma or talents of another figure to boost his re-election efforts, that president has gone down in defeat.

Dwight Eisenhower in 1956, Richard Nixon in 1972, Ronald Reagan in 1984 and Bill Clinton in 1996 had no need to resort to such undignified and even desperate expedients. Rather, the ploy recalls the antics of Gerald Ford during the 1976 campaign and Jimmy Carter in 1980.

Indeed, far from making Bush look bigger as intended, the campaign of relying on heroes the president had previously gone out of his way to ignore or even humiliate seems much more likely to make him look like a wimp. After all, real he-men never need other heroes to rescue them.

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Bush trashed McCain during the election of 2000. Try this one: Commentary: Bush turns to men he trashed By Martin Sieff

ONCE AGAIN you do NOT address points made. I never said Bush didn't trash McCain DID I? NO I didn't.And just what in Gods name did you expect? It was an election year. MY point was that you started in on Bush "supporters" for doing this. When I came forward and said that I did not, then you changed gears and started in on Bush. Grow up will ya?

I was giving Dr Guy post #120 his reference. If Bush killed someone on national TV you guys would tell us that it was the fault of the person killed for being at that place not that Bush was wrong. What a piss poor bunch that defent Bush!

Make up your damn mind would you? First you say Bush supporters, now you're saying Bush. But then again that is to be expected. I called your bluff on the first statement so you had to change it to keep your diatribe going.

I will not question his supporters, but let's see what Col is saying.

Bush trashed McCain during the election of 2000. Try this one: Commentary: Bush turns to men he trashed

Col, I asked for a link, not an example of cut and paste,  And if you read the article, you will see the only thing that the Bush campaign (it does not say Bush himself) is accused of is misrepresenting his support of Cancer research.  I know that has NEVER been done before in the history of Political campaigns (sorry, I still cant find the sarcasm tags).

You said Bush trashed the MAN.  I said link.  So far, you are 0 for everything.

ONCE AGAIN you do NOT address points made. I never said Bush didn't trash McCain DID I? NO I didn't.And just what in Gods name did you expect?

I said it.  ANd I do beleive I was clear.  I stated that he was trashed politically, not personally as Col Klink insinuated. BIG DIFFERENCE

I was giving Dr Guy post #120 his reference. If Bush killed someone on national TV you guys would tell us that it was the fault of the person killed for being at that place not that Bush was wrong. What a piss poor bunch that defent Bush!

No you did not.  You said (or insinuated) that Bush (not his supporters, not his campaign, Bush himself) trashed McCain the Man, not his politics.  You are dead wrong.  Period.

Bush is responsible for his campaign including what his staff does. Bush and his staff DID TRASH MaCain and I gave you a source just as you requested. So just stuff it DR.Guy et al!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

By HASSAN M. FATTAH
Published: November 22, 2005

CAIRO, Nov. 21 - For the first time, Iraq's political factions on Monday collectively called for a timetable for withdrawal of foreign forces, in a moment of consensus that comes as the Bush administration battles pressure at home to commit itself to a pullout schedule.
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The announcement, made at the conclusion of a reconciliation conference here backed by the Arab League, was a public reaching out by Shiites, who now dominate Iraq's government, to Sunni Arabs on the eve of parliamentary elections that have been put on shaky ground by weeks of sectarian violence.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces," the statement said.

Bush is responsible for his campaign including what his staff does. Bush and his staff DID TRASH MaCain and I gave you a source just as you requested. So just stuff it DR.Guy et al!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, again you did not.  Even his campaign did not trash the man.  They trashed his politics.  So we will stuff it as soon as you can produce it.  But sorry, shit dont count.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces," the statement said.

Ok, good!  Now post the rest of the article.  Like the part that says when their Military is up to 100%?  Missed that part didn't you?  When did Murtha say that?  Can you link to his conditions?  I think not.

About 100 Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish leaders, many of whom will run in the election on Dec. 15, signed a closing memorandum on Monday that "demands a withdrawal of foreign troops on a specified timetable, dependent on an immediate national program for rebuilding the security forces," the statement said.

Like the part that says when their Military is up to 100%?

Bush's criteria for withdraw of Iraq has been:

When a Democratically elected Government is in place
When a Democratically elected Government request the US to depart.
The Iraqi Army is trained.
When the Iraqi Army can conduct missions on their own.

In December there will be the last elections to install a Democratically elected government. Check to #1

After the 15th of Dec, if the above leaders that are elected vote again for withdraw. Check #2

The Iraqi Army is about trained, (but do not have the experience) Check #3

Iraqi Army has become the majority of troops used in counter insurgent operations and have started conducting major operations without American ground troop support. Check #4

Sounds like we are close to reaching the timetable that the MSM and the left refuse to recognize as a timetable given by Bush.

Once again Colon Gangrene lies through his wormy little teeth to try to make a point!

The leaders of Iraq NEVER said "GET OUT!".. all they did was provide information on what their assessment of the "time table" may be. They also talked about what they plan on making happen during that time table. Link

Guess what Colon Gangrene, while you were whining like a stuck pig, the Iraqi government has been hashing out a plan to secure their own nation... the free nation that you resent, but most of us think is a pretty awesome achievement.

Live with it, wimp!

Sounds like we are close to reaching the timetable that the MSM and the left refuse to recognize as a timetable given by Bush.

I agree.  And even the Iraqis understand that.  Even tho they are subhuman to some people.