Catholic Misconceptions

Published on November 2, 2005 By Dr Guy In Religion

I am putting this under religion because lately there has been a lot of misconceptions about Catholicism.

Now I will be the first to say that I don't understand all other religions, but I am willing to and have learned from the believers of said religions. And when I am wrong, call me on it, although as I don't assume about other religions much, I don't guess I will get many calls.

But lately, someone has decided Catholicism is a cult! And they listed reasons, 6 of 7 wrong! and the 7th? Something practiced by all Christian, Judiasm and Muslim religions! I guess that makes 3/4 of the world a sect! Duh!

Today we are going to discuss Annulment. For those who know the truth, fine. This is for the other 75% who don't have a clue, including many Catholics!

In Catholicism, we believe that when a man marries a woman, and it is blessed by the church, the love of Christ has entered into the union. And I suspect every one hopes that as well. But we must promise that we will allow that love to guide us in raising our children! Yep, that may be Cultish, but one of the promises is to raise the children Catholic!

Now all is well for 1, 2 5, 10 20 years. And then Mommy and Daddy get divorced! Something went wrong! Indeed it did, although, yep! I was totally clueless (My family was not).

So I got a divorce. I found out, via her shrink, for a non event about her brother raping her (he did not, they were just....well...I did not know it when I married her, and not until the divorce)., that she never loved me.

Excuse me? I spent 20 years of my life married (plus a couple dating)! But that was an epiphany. And no, it was not a spite thing. This was her shrink! (she still needs one BTW).

So we divorced. I should have known she was and is a complete psycho! her mother is and was! But I thought we could be peaceful! hehehehehe! yea I am stupid!

So you see the set up. The Judge nailed her and her quota kid lawyer to the wall! (Never hire a quota kid if you want to win).

So she jumps in bed with some witless wonder, and I am sitting on a bunch of assets, and a lot of income. Only child support now!

Then I met a goddess! A woman who loves me, and yea she bitch slaps me (Note for Trudy - it is not always bad) when I deserve it (and sometimes when I don't). We marry years later. But her family is Catholic. She is not a good one, but once a Catholic, always a Catholic!

So I do the Annulment thing. It was long but not hard, as since my first wife never loved me (she used me to get away from an abusive situation), it was never in doubt. I did not lie (I did not have to). And she never contested it (although her stories to the kids leave a lot to be desired).

Why was the annulment so easy? Did it make my children bastards?

The answer to the first is simple. You cannot have the love of Christ in your Marriage when one party lied at the vows! And the second part is just as easy. No they are not. We were married, legally and in the eyes of the church. But Man is not infallible, and they need to acknowledge their errors.

The Church did. period.

So all you who get on your horse about annulment, chill! It has nothing to do with bastardization! It has nothing to do with making something disappear!

it has everything to do with realizing that sometimes, marriages are flawed from the get go!

So if you want to hate my religion, please do so for the right reasons! not for some ignorant ones.

Comments (Page 9)

121

Dr Guy

on Nov 11, 2005

I think the two you mentioned are two that do. I could go to either of those two denominations and be quite happy in their fellowship.

First, I did not mean to imply anything about either denomination, just 2 that are different (both showed us ROAMING Catholics great hospitality before we built our church, as did many others). it was just a point that people worship in different ways and that is fine.

Second, the Godfather of my second daughter converted because - of the same ness in the liturgy! (we were friends before and I agreed to be his sponsor - which sure helped my faith a lot!).

Third, sorry, I do have to disagree. Jesus is not in the OT, just the NT. But I think that was just a typo on your part. you meant God. And I do understand that. But God did say he was through with his destruction many times in the OT and Jesus reaffirmed it. So what Solomon says was right for his time, but not for ours.

122

KFC

on Nov 11, 2005

Don't you believe Doc that Jesus is God? Don't you as a Catholic believe that Jesus is part of the trinity? Well the whole bible is about Him....the OT and the NT.....the OT is revealed in the NT and the NT is conceled in the Old. There's tons there too much too go into here but to verify what I'm saying is true compare Isa 43:11 which says "I even I am the Lord and beside me there is no savior" Now check Luke 2:11 which says "For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour which is Christ the Lord." If you don't beieve this...what are you saying? There are two different Gods?

.oh another favorite....compare Isa (OT)45:23 to Phil 2:10 (NT).....The OT is full of this cuz the whole bible is about Jesus. The Jews missed it...read Psalm 22 and Isa 53..who do you think this was talking about? The God of the OT is Jesus of the NT. Jehovah is Jesus!!! The JW's have a heart attack over this proclamation...(I was one)!!

Sorry it's the teacher in me!!

123

Dr Guy

on Nov 12, 2005

Don't you as a Catholic believe that Jesus is part of the trinity?

Part of the trinity yes. But the Trinity is 3 aspects of God, but not God himself. Jesus is God's son, sent to save us. So the old testament is about God, while the new testament is about the teachings and life of Jesus. So to answer your question, no, I dont see Jesus as God, but the Son of God. The old testament foretold his coming, but not the man himself.

124

KFC

on Nov 12, 2005

ooohhhhh Doc...you gotta read it!! Isn't Mary called the Mother of God in your faith? Did you read the above words in your own book? Ok...so you don't like those huh? Well what about the words of Christ himself? He called himself God and almost got killed more than once by the Pharisees (I call them Phariblinds). Anyhow this is one of the things Jesus himself said..."These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses and in the prophets and in the psalms concerning me." Then he opened their understanding that they might understand the scriptures. Luke 24:44-45.

Or how about when they tried to stone him when he said...."Before Abraham was I am?" Jn 8:58. They knew he was calling himself God...cuz God of the OT told Moses his name was "I am." Ex 3:14.
It was okay to rock one asleep if they were found speaking blasphemy.

Are you just saying that you don't believe he's God cuz you know for a fact....? And if so....what are you basing this on? Inquiring minds wanna know.....

Oh and the third "aspect" of the trinity is called "God" in the bible. So all three are called God.

125

Dr Guy

on Nov 13, 2005

ooohhhhh Doc...you gotta read it!! Isn't Mary called the Mother of God in your faith?

Yes, but Jesus, as I said, is a facet of God - part of the holy trinity. Simply put, Jesus could not BE God because he was of mortal man, and therefore fallible. He had to be mortal so that he could show us the way.

The Holy Spirit is the part of God within us. Jesus is God made man. God is all things, the other 2 are just facets of God and not all of God. Crust is bread. But it is not the whole slice. Yet it is still bread.

126

KFC

on Nov 13, 2005

Christ is fallible? The bible clearly states he's without sin. He couldn't be the perfect sacrifice if he had the stain of sin on him. The temptation clearly shows that he was not like us. While he was tempted in all points as we are he did not fall into sin. He was 100% man and 100% God.

Remember all the OT sacrifices? They all pointed to what would be the perfect sacrifice that was to come....while they covered up the sin....Jesus perfect sacrifice TOOK AWAY our sin. Going back to John, (Chap 1) he said that Jesus was God. In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was God and the WORD came and dwelt among us. The whole of scripture is about Jesus and the NT is all about Jesus being God. If you really feel this way...you'd be better of being a JW cuz you are not in sync with the CC here. At least on this point you would fit in nicely with the JW's but I don't recommend it.

127

Dr Guy

on Nov 13, 2005

Christ is fallible? The bible clearly states he's without sin.

I never said sin. But being man,he is fallible by definition. For we are not perfect! We cannot be! Nor can the son of God if he is going to be born of man and live and die! He had to be like us, or else our whole religion is suspect! For he lived as a man, and died as a man, and man is not infallible.!

The temptation shows that we can deny it! It does not show he is not like us! And the OT? Better figure out that one as his lineage is traced through Joseph, and he was not the father! That is an oops! But one we can live with who believe in Jesus and not in the infallliility of the bible.

128

KFC

on Nov 13, 2005

Well my dear Doc...I'm going to blow you away with this one then. The two lineages are different. One is in Matt and it's Joseph's like you said. If you look at it you'll see that Joseph came from the line of David thru his son Solomon. Now if you go to Luke you see Mary's lineage. Now you see she also came from the line of David but thru Nathan Solomon's brother. So basically they were cousins way back.

So Jesus got his legal title from Joseph and his blood title from Mary. He did not get his blood from Joseph. He was of no relation to Joseph at all. So there is no ooops here. In fact it's just the opposite. It's amazing. There was no mistaken that Jesus was the foretold (all thru OT) Messiah. The Jews should have known this. He fit all the criteria. One thing is clear tho...I've never heard a dispute about Jesus regarding his lineage. It was so well documented and the reason it's listed all thru Scripture. If you notice it stops here. No need for any more geneologies. In fact in AD 70 all was lost in the destruction of Jerusalem.

While he did live and die as a man....he was no ordinary man. He was a God-man. He was human thru his mother but he was God thru his Father. 100% man....100% God.

129

Dr Guy

on Nov 13, 2005

So Jesus got his legal title from Joseph and his blood title from Mary

No, that was a fizzle as the blood was supposed to come from the father. There are a lot of those things in the bible, hence why I dont accept them as the end all and be all.

Sorry. they are written by Man!

130

KFC

on Nov 13, 2005

Ok not much I can do to change your mind...that's up to the HS. But I am curious especially since you haven't answered my question....what are you basing all this on? I've shown you proof after proof but of course it doesn't do much good if you don't believe it's written from God. Is this opinion you are stating or do you suppose it's fact?

And the other question....what if you're wrong?

131

Chakgogka

on Nov 13, 2005

Christ is fallible? The bible clearly states he's without sin.

Just out of interest (I'm not a bible scholar) where does it say this?

132

KFC

on Nov 13, 2005

Well it's all thru but the best place would be Hebrews because it talks about the old covenant vs the New. The old was imperfect while the New was perfect. Christ was that new covenant. Anyhow Hebrews Chap 9-11 would be good. 9:14 says...How much more shall the blood of Christ who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

But also here in 5:8-9 Though he were a Son yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered. And being made perfect he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him.

See the blood of bulls and goats of the old covenant were tempory and not perfect. It was only the perfect sacrifice that could take away sins. In 9:22 it says....without shedding of blood is no remission. Christ sacrifice was accepted by God the father because it was perfect, without spot or blemish.

The first sacrifice could be seen right in the garden with Adam and Eve after their sin. God killed an animal and clothed them with the skins. Someone said that in the Garden God clothed the sinful first Adam and at the cross the sinners unclothed the second sinless Adam.

Also Peter said in 1 Peter 2:21-22....For even here were you called because Christ also suffered for us leaving us an example that you should follow his steps: Who did no sin neither was guile found in his mouth. The sinless Jesus was the perfect substitute in his death for the sins of mankind.

The problem is not many are listening and they have no idea because the god of this world (Satan) has blinded their eyes. Now I've answered your question...is there a reason for yours? Have you been taught otherwise like the doc?

133

Chakgogka

on Nov 14, 2005

Now I've answered your question...is there a reason for yours? Have you been taught otherwise like the doc?

Not really. It's just I'm not a christian so I don't really know my Bible as well as you do.

134

KFC

on Nov 14, 2005

Well Chakgogka it's an awesome read.....more than just a book. I've been reading this for quite some time and I'm always amazed at what I keep finding. I don't believe as the Doc does that it was written by man, uninspired that is. It was written by about 40 men over 1500 years and it all fits together perfectly as the author is God moving these men to write. There's a reason why this book has lasted this long and is the #1 best seller of all times.

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Dr Guy

on Nov 14, 2005

Is this opinion you are stating or do you suppose it's fact?

And the other question....what if you're wrong?

Question number 1: Opinion. For after all, that is what faith is.

Question number 2: If I am wrong, I literally will not live to regret it, now will I?

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