And we are supposed to listen to them??????

Il Duce is Nelson Mandela

Published on October 12, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

THe BBC, that bastion of right wing conservatism, had a poll where people were asked to pick 11 (out of 100) people to 'rule the world'. The Winner? Nelson Mandela. Say what? Ok, Mandela is not a thug or tyrant, just a stupid fool that gets duped by the likes of Castro and Hussein.

But check out number 2: Slick Willie Clinton! Say good bye to women's rights!

But it gets better! Here is the top 11:

1 - Nelson Mandela
2 - Bill Clinton
3 - Dalai Lama
4 - Noam Chomsky
5 - Alan Greenspan
6 - Bill Gates
7 - Steve Jobs
8 - Archbishop Desmond Tutu
9 - Richard Branson
10 - George Soros
11 - Kofi Annan

Naom Chomsky? George Soros? Kofi Anan? What a bunch of bozos! I can see the others possibily, but combined with Clinton and Mandela, that makes almost half the list a bunch of buffoons and clowns!

But it still gets better:

Fidel Castro - 36th - and Hugo Chavez, 33rd.

Simon, tell me that this was a put on piece! Oh, and Hillary was number 16! And Michael Moron was 15! Osama Bin Laden at 70? What, they could not resurrect Adolph Hitler for the poll? Such a shame.

The really scary thing about this poll? Half the votes came from the US! DU.org is alive and well and now packing polls!

Comments (Page 3)

Dr Guy

on Oct 13, 2005

Kofi Annan. Had to be a poll of euros.

No, just sycophantic idiots.

Dr Guy

on Oct 13, 2005

Here's an idea, let him run France since they love him so much.

That makes a great deal of sense!

sunwukong

on Oct 13, 2005

And they are not leading. The Netherlands are. Just another false claim that is way off topic.

Wow -- such poor reading comprehension. Leadership !== first -- all we need to show is that we precede you.

If you should decide to take a leadership position, and in substantive matters not trivial pursuits, then you can preach.

Ok -- how about general health of the population? Infant survival rates? Or are "trivial pursuits" anything the US is not good at?

When you can demonstrate leadership, which you are not since some states beat you to the punch on this issue (we are the United STATES - not United directorates), then you will have a leg to stand on.

Which means gay marriage is not a transferable attribute even within your own country and won't be recognized at the federal and international level on, for example, a passport.

Gideon MacLeish

on Oct 13, 2005

I must defend Mandela here. While he may not have been the perfect leader, he was the perfect transition from an apartheid era government. He bridged the gap well and included apartheid era leaders in his cabinet after he was elected, rather than purging them as is so often the tendency among leaders faced with such difficult situations.

And if we're gonna hafta have a "Chavez" in there, I'd resurrect CESAR Chavez afore I'd put HUGO in there!

bakerstreet

on Oct 13, 2005

What most people don't understand about darling Winnie is that she isn't villified by her peers. To many (most) in the ANC she is a hero. The excesses she undertook were considered necessary for their "cause". I just think that if people are going to use their machete on American history, and toss poop at every lauded leader the US and other Western nations have been benefitted by, they should turn their historical arsenal on those beloved LIBERAL causes and leaders.

Madela-style change seemed to encompass torture, kidnapping, malpheasance, etc. It isn't good enough for Conservative leaders to wash their hands of such when THEY win, so I don't really see the honesty in allowing people like Nelson Mandela to do so, either. Every cause has their bobble-head, diplomacy screaming figure, but that doesn't mean the machine behind them doesn't back them up with injustice, cruelty, and acts as bad as those they are fighting against.

Gideon MacLeish

on Oct 13, 2005

Baker,

Yes, and Nelson Mandela may not have been innocent of the acts his wife undertook. But you have been a reliable standard bearer for the concept of innocence until guilt is proven, and, frankly, I think that should apply in Mandela's case as well.

But that doesn't mean I don't think that his involvement shouldn't be investigated...by CREDIBLE investigators.

bakerstreet

on Oct 13, 2005

Frankly, Gid, once someone has been set up to be a saint, that isn't very likely. In the US we hold leaders responsible for the acts of their organizations. Imagine for a moment if Bush was in jail, and while there his wife was a terror, imagine how the Left would react if he disavowed it AFTER it all paid off...

What people like the ones who make these lists don't understand, is that at the top of all these causes there is a pacifist, diplomatic figurehead. That's how they gain international support. They're like a tea-cozy for an iron maiden. That doesn't negate the fact that they stand on ground leveled by people who are very, very different than what they portray themselves to be.

Mandela just had the benefit of being out of the limelight, and suffering as a martyr while the dirty work was being done...

sunwukong

on Oct 13, 2005

In the US we hold leaders responsible for the acts of their organizations.

You forgot to mention the presidential pardons afterwards.

if he disavowed it AFTER it all paid off.

Except Winnie Mandela's actions lost support for the ANC and distracted from the fight against Apartheid -- not to mention reawakening Zulu nationalism.

Mandela just had the benefit of being out of the limelight, and suffering as a martyr while the dirty work was being done...

But where is the proof that Mandela encouraged or relied on the results of the nasty deeds?

Are you saying the difference between Karl Rove (also a pick in the survey) and Mandela is that everybody knows Rove is a nasty SOB?

bakerstreet

on Oct 13, 2005

sunwukong: Frankly I can't debate the Rove thing, since you'll have no debate from me. I don't think Rove belongs on a top 1000 list, much less 100. If you'd like to equate Rove with Mandela morally, fine, but it is apples and oranges.

Do you think Bush will get a pass if Rove is found guilty of criminal intent, just because he claims he didn't know about it or support it? I kind of doubt it. He doesn't have the "benefit" of being tossed in prison as an alibi.

As far as "relied on the results" I doubt seriously that Mandela would have accomplished what he did without the ANC's work while he was away.

bakerstreet

on Oct 13, 2005

"with our boxes of matches and our necklaces we shall liberate this country" - Winnie Mandela

Island Dog

on Oct 13, 2005

Hmm, didn't he steal billions of dollars by scamming the Oil for Food program?

Kofi is the leader of an organization in which their own fraud resulted in the deaths of thousands of Iraqis. You know....those people the liberals care so much about. Where is their outrage at Kofi and the U.N.? If they care so much about the Iraqi people why don't they demand for his resignation? Hypocrits.

drmiler

on Oct 14, 2005

And they are not leading. The Netherlands are. Just another false claim that is way off topic.

Wow -- such poor reading comprehension. Leadership !== first -- all we need to show is that we precede you.

Dude...."leadership" is "faaaaar" more than just being first!

Dr Guy

on Nov 06, 2005

Wow -- such poor reading comprehension. Leadership !== first -- all we need to show is that we precede you.

So does a seeing eye dog, but I would not use one as a lawyer in court.

Dr Guy

on Nov 06, 2005

Ok -- how about general health of the population? Infant survival rates? Or are "trivial pursuits" anything the US is not good at?

I see, so your 'leadershipi' is to skip across the border for that which your socialized medicine cannot give you?

Dr Guy

on Nov 06, 2005

I must defend Mandela here.

As well he was a good leadre. But he was no saint, and his mouth has shown him to be nothing more than a radical socialist.

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