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By Dr. Guy And HC
Published on October 9, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

icon posted an article.  The Jist of which was to slam a politician who dared say that he listens to his god and heart.  He did not condemn or spew hate.  he said he listened to his heart and that God spoke to him there.  here is what he said:

"It's according to what your heart is saying. If your heart is humble and you have the lord using a message to send along to America we need to wake up. Your heart will respond in humility saying, "Lord, whatever it takes, begin with me to do what's right. If your heart is hard, you'll turn away. I can't define what men do, I can only say what God would be honored with."

You know what?  I do the same thing.  In fact, let me say what I said on Icon's blog:

According to ones heart. - You dont listen to your hunches?  Interesting

If your heart is humble - i.e. listen to your hunches, but you have already discounted that.

You have the lord sending a message - Your little voice is talking to you. for him the lord, for others, their hunches. 

We need to wake up. - We need to be more aware of the suffering around us?  Guess that is really radical.

Your heart will respond with humility - You will see that you need to do the right thing.  Now that is extreme!  Yea, burn the bastard at the stake!

"Lord, whatever it takes, begin with me to do what's right. - lead me to do the right thing.  Ok, if his god is a nasty one, then we get Hitler. If his god is a nice one, then we get Ghandi.  So you have prejudged him?

If your heart is hard, you'll turn away - If you dont listen, you will not hear the message.  so dont talk to your hunches,  Harden your heart and only work from logic.

I can't define what men do, I can only say what God would be honored with." - I only know what I will do , not others (especially the ones that are using this to condemn someone for a belief not violent or condemning)

Sounds like we just uncovered another Al Qaeda cell.  Right here at JU.  Death to the Christians for daring to have faith and profess it!  Death because they allow their faith to giude them in Law making!  Death to the Christians!  thus spake All bin ACLU.

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on Oct 10, 2005

Looks like I'm going to have to show you this again

You dont have to show me anything again.  You nailed a man for specious reasons.  you want to argue with Pat Robertson?  Then  dont do a hen peck article.  I dont need to see that Ervin is a religous zealot.  But even religious Zealots dont always speak in tongues.

you did.  And did very poorly.  Now, why dont you read this article, and debate my points.  kingbee cant. he insists upon bringing things into it that was not part of the debate.  As you are now.

I dont cotton to Robertson.  But I am not afraid of him either.  Nor do I misquote him.  If you read me, you know that.  But I refuse to jump on a bandwagon with a trip switch.  And that was what your article was.

Just because I am a man of faith does not make me blind or in agreement with all others who say they are.

Just because you are an Atheist/agnostic does not mean you are in agreement with all other atheists or agnostics does it?  or does it?

on Oct 10, 2005

Reply By: IçonoçlastPosted: Monday, October 10, 2005
SCARBOROUGH: And you wrote this—quote—“New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness.”ERWIN: Yes.

here is your article:

Last night on Fox News' Heartland, John Kasich interviewed Senator Hank Erwin (R-Al.), starting with this written statement:

"New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness...it is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgement of God." - Weekly Newspaper Column 9/30/05.

Kasich: "Don't you think you're driving people away from religion? I know you're not trying to do that, but don't you think it has the opposite effect?"

Erwin: "It's according to what your heart is saying. If your heart is humble and you have the lord using a message to send along to America we need to wake up. Your heart will respond in humility saying, "Lord, whatever it takes, begin with me to do what's right.
If your heart is hard, you'll turn away. I can't define what men do, I can only say what God would be honored with."

He actually believes he can read God's mind.

He and anyone who agrees with him should do the world a favor and kill themselves.

No wonder the Ancient Romans threw Christians to the lions."

Now find your quote.

Dont blame me for your poor writing. I attacked what you wrote, not what you might have read beforehand.

on Oct 10, 2005
"New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness...it is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgement of God." - Weekly Newspaper Column 9/30/05.and that is attributed to Ervin? No.


I'm referring to your apparant inability to see that Erwin wrote the column.
on Oct 10, 2005

I'm referring to your apparant inability to see that Erwin wrote the column.

I am referring to your lack of documentation skills.  I read your article.  And commented and then quoted it.  If you did not express yourself well, or screwed up, then do a mia culpa.  But your article was wrong. period.

on Oct 10, 2005
If by this

and that is attributed to Ervin? No.


you didn't mean what I thought you meant, say so. Otherwise, if you did not express yourself well, or screwed up, then do a mia culpa.

on Oct 10, 2005
Why are you defending this, Iconoclast? It's obvious you are backed into a corner, trying to worm your way out of the fact you made a bigoted, hateful statement far worse than the one you were saying was "dangerous".

Add to the fact that someone who claims to be so enlightened as yourself would deem opinions "dangerous" in a free society, and state openly that people's opinions make it reasonable to throw them to the lions... well... bigoted and hypocitical are the best words that fit. Your own treatment of Erwin in your article SURPASSES everything you accuse him of.

Why not back down, admit that you were off base instead of making yourself look more and more like an intolerant bigot? When you set yourself beside someone you are accusing of small-mindedness, and you, yourself display even more small-mindedness in the process of condemning them, you are defeating your purpose.
on Oct 10, 2005
I just think it is insipid that you are over here debating semantics with Dr. Guy when you said such hateful things about people based upon their religious beliefs on your own blog. Before you start fencing with grammer and details, maybe you ought to see to your own hateful bigotedness.
on Oct 10, 2005

you didn't mean what I thought you meant, say so. Otherwise, if you did not express yourself well, or screwed up, then do a mia culpa.

Here it is in simple language.

R E A D  M Y  R E B U T T A L.   A S  W E L L  A S  H O W  Y O U  W R O T E  Y O U R S.

Then rebut me. Forget outside sources, I was rebutting you, not them.

on Oct 10, 2005

Before you start fencing with grammer and details,

Dont even bother with that one.  just defend your statements in light of what you wrote.  Bring in the rest of the stuff after you defend your statements.  Then we can debate them on a level plane.

on Oct 10, 2005
We need to wake up. - We need to be more aware of the suffering around us?


I don't think that's what Erwin was saying. I think he meant we need to change our behavior.

Your heart will respond with humility - You will see that you need to do the right thing.


Again, I think he was saying we need to change our behavior.
on Oct 10, 2005
"I don't think that's what Erwin was saying. I think he meant we need to change our behavior."


Kind of like how you are saying he is dangerous because of his religious beliefs, and the world would be better off without people like him...

You aren't this slow usually, Icon...
on Oct 10, 2005
Add to the fact that someone who claims to be so enlightened as yourself would deem opinions "dangerous" in a free society, and state openly that people's opinions make it reasonable to throw them to the lions... well... bigoted and hypocitical are the best words that fit. Your own treatment of Erwin in your article SURPASSES everything you accuse him of.

Sure does. But par for the course, I'm learning. Hey... the byline was unnecessary, but appreciated.
on Oct 11, 2005

Again, I think he was saying we need to change our behavior.

I don't think that's what Erwin was saying. I think he meant we need to change our behavior.

You see that is the problem right there.  2 people reading the exact same thing can have different interpretations.  And you know what?  Neither of us is right.  But the words in and of themselves are not radical, or intolerant.  They are a statement of belief, something that both of us do.  You beleive there is no God, I beleive there is.  And you know what?  neither of us knows the answer, now do we?

on Oct 11, 2005

Kind of like how you are saying he is dangerous because of his religious beliefs,

He may very well be a whacko (Ervin), but the evidence is not in either article.  Indeed, what was quoted that he said I could have easily have said myself.  And except for the loony left, no one here beleives I am a radical right wing christian zealot.

on Oct 11, 2005

Sure does. But par for the course, I'm learning. Hey... the byline was unnecessary, but appreciated.

You are always welcome on my blog.  I have found you to be deeply religious, but not preachy.  And with a very level head on your shoulders!

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