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Dangerous Stupidity? Or Dangerous Intolerance?
By Dr. Guy And HC
Published on October 9, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events
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icon posted an article.  The Jist of which was to slam a politician who dared say that he listens to his god and heart.  He did not condemn or spew hate.  he said he listened to his heart and that God spoke to him there.  here is what he said:

"It's according to what your heart is saying. If your heart is humble and you have the lord using a message to send along to America we need to wake up. Your heart will respond in humility saying, "Lord, whatever it takes, begin with me to do what's right. If your heart is hard, you'll turn away. I can't define what men do, I can only say what God would be honored with."

You know what?  I do the same thing.  In fact, let me say what I said on Icon's blog:

According to ones heart. - You dont listen to your hunches?  Interesting

If your heart is humble - i.e. listen to your hunches, but you have already discounted that.

You have the lord sending a message - Your little voice is talking to you. for him the lord, for others, their hunches. 

We need to wake up. - We need to be more aware of the suffering around us?  Guess that is really radical.

Your heart will respond with humility - You will see that you need to do the right thing.  Now that is extreme!  Yea, burn the bastard at the stake!

"Lord, whatever it takes, begin with me to do what's right. - lead me to do the right thing.  Ok, if his god is a nasty one, then we get Hitler. If his god is a nice one, then we get Ghandi.  So you have prejudged him?

If your heart is hard, you'll turn away - If you dont listen, you will not hear the message.  so dont talk to your hunches,  Harden your heart and only work from logic.

I can't define what men do, I can only say what God would be honored with." - I only know what I will do , not others (especially the ones that are using this to condemn someone for a belief not violent or condemning)

Sounds like we just uncovered another Al Qaeda cell.  Right here at JU.  Death to the Christians for daring to have faith and profess it!  Death because they allow their faith to giude them in Law making!  Death to the Christians!  thus spake All bin ACLU.

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16
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

claiming that god destroyed new orleans and the mississippi gulf coast to punish sinners is pretty damn close to condemnation.

Uh, show me where in the original article, or this one any of that is talked about?  let's dig up eerything he said since he was 2, and prove he is a hypocrite.  Or maybe we can discuss what was quoted in each and discuss that.  Or is that beyond your ken?

17
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

don't know, but saying the world would be better off without someone might be considered "bashing", frankly...

I think he is using the out that he did not name names, while I quoted his article.

18
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

There's a difference between expressing a belief that people have been punished for doing wrong, and stating the world would be a better place without a whole class of people.

Exactly.  One is stating a beleif that can be argued with and debated.  The other is just expressing hate that must be shunned and ostracized.

19
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

i was addressing drguy's decision to quote only the 'listen to your heart' part of ervin's statement as if the 'what i think god was telling me' segment had no relevance.

No, and you still cant post on topic.  I quoted what Icon quoted and blasted.  If he had posted the whole quote, I would have copied the whole quote.  What is so hard to understand about that?  A rebuttal, which this is, rebutts what is stated, not unstated.  Unless I have slipped into a parallel dimension where the rules of logic are thrown out in favor of crass Political Correctness.

20
kingbee
on Oct 10, 2005
Uh, show me where in the original article


first two paragraphs....

Last night on Fox News' Heartland, John Kasich interviewed Senator Hank Erwin (R-Al.), starting with this written statement:

"New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness...it is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgement of God." - Weekly Newspaper Column 9/30/05.

this--not the stuff you were so taken with--is what motivated the article.

he followed it up with links and text in comment #2 including this transcript:

'Scarborough Country' for Sept. 28th. I am joined right now by Alabama State Senator Hank Erwin.

Senator, thank you for being with me tonight. You—you...HANK ERWIN ®, ALABAMA STATE SENATOR:

Joe, good to see you.

SCARBOROUGH: You have said a lot of things that have shocked a lot of people. Explain to me why you think that Katrina was God‘s wrath.

ERWIN: Well, I think, if you look at what‘s going on, this whole region has always known that, with the church, that New Orleans and the Gulf Coast are known for sin.And if you go to a church and you read your Bible, you are always told avoid sin and that there‘s judgment for sin. And I just think that, in my analysis—and I can‘t speak for everybody, but I believe that, if you look at the factors, that you had a city that was known for sin—the signature of New Orleans is the French Quarter, Bourbon Street. It is known for sin. And you have a Bible that says God will judge sin, you can put two and two together and say, it may not be the judgment of God, but it sure looks like the footprint.So, I just told my friends, in an opinion, I think it could be the judgment of God on the Gulf Coast and on New Orleans. And I would urge the good folks that are the innocent victims to rally and rebuild that city and get a new signature.

SCARBOROUGH: And you wrote this—quote—“New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness.

”ERWIN: Yes.

SCARBOROUGH: “It‘s the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgment of God. Why were we surprised when, finally, the hand of judgment fell?”I have got to ask you this, Senator. I was on the ground in Mississippi. We certainly saw the pictures out of Louisiana. I saw young children, 15-month-old babies, who were suffering. I saw, in New Orleans, young children. I mean, you look on TV, you see young babies dying on the sidewalk of heat exhaustion. Certainly, these babies aren‘t sinful, are they? Should they be made to pay for the sins of tourists from Florida that go over and gamble in New Orleans and Biloxi?


(CROSSTALK)
ERWIN: Well, I think you need to understand that, whenever—wherever sin goes, the sins of a few can affect the innocence of many. And I think that you are seeing also along the Gulf Coast, as well as in the neighbors of our good state of Mississippi, a lot of innocent people that were affected by this hurricane. And that‘s the tragedy of sin, is that you never sin alone. You always affect other people. And we have had a lot of innocent people who have been hurt. Here in Birmingham...
(CROSSTALK)

SCARBOROUGH: But, you know, Senator—you know, Senator, though, I mean, the thing about the New Orleans—the New Orleans storm is that it was the French Quarter that seemed to be spared of devastation.

ERWIN: Well, I understand that, and I think the lord sent them a message that we need to turn around or we may have another hurricane come. And I just think the people who have been going in there, the church people have been going into the French Quarter for years, appealing for the people to turn around and get back right with God. So, I think the message needs to go even stronger, please turn around, so we never have to go through this again.

SCARBOROUGH: All right, Alabama State Senator Hank Erwin, thank you so much for being with us, a very provocative argument. I am sure a lot of people are very angry out there. All I will say is this. When you look at Matthew 25, and the disciples ask Jesus, how do we get to heaven? That‘s what they were interested in. We want to sit on the right hand of the father. How do we do it? Jesus said, you take care of the poor. You give the thirsty water. When they come to your door and they need food, you give it to them. When they need clothes, give them the clothes off your back and visit them in jail. Basically, help the dispossessed. That‘s why I just find it hard to square up my vision of God and what Jesus Christ said in the New Testament with what the senator is saying tonight. But I will tell you, it is a debate—I promise you, it‘s a debate that is raging across America right now in churches and other areas, too.

you can be pretty obtuse but i'll be amazed if you continue to try and claim you misunderstood what the issue was.
21
kingbee
on Oct 10, 2005
I have slipped into a parallel dimension where the rules of logic are thrown out


well...at least it isn't a recent development.
22
bakerstreet
on Oct 10, 2005
Even if you differ or are offended with what Erwin said (which would surprise me, since not even I care what folks like that think, and I share their religion), I'm kind of surprised that you could correct doc here and then let such a nasty statement on the other blog go.

Which is worse, spinning a quote a bit to make your point, or saying a whole segment of a religion should kill themselves and their slaughter by the Romans was reasonable?
23
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

"New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness...it is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgement of God." - Weekly Newspaper Column 9/30/05.

and that is attributed to Ervin?  No.  You are off base again.  The original article quoted an exchange of Erwin and Kasich, and then blasted Erwin.  IN context.  That was what I was commenting on.  Write you own blog if you want to quote the entire interview.  I might even try to stay on topic, but given your track record, dont hold me to that one.

24
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

well...at least it isn't a recent development.

No, I think I am still in reality, and you have crossed over to the twilight zone.  If you are going to slam, try doing it in context - that which you preach so much.

25
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

Which is worse, spinning a quote a bit to make your point,

He did not even spin well.

26
Ionolast
on Oct 10, 2005
and that is attributed to Ervin? No. You are off base again. The original article quoted an exchange of Erwin and Kasich,


The newspaper column was written by Erwin.
27
Ionolast
on Oct 10, 2005
Looks like I'm going to have to show you this again

Link

Alabama lawmaker writes that Katrina was God's punishment

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. (AP) - A state Senator from Shelby County, Alabama, says Hurricane Katrina was God's punishment on a sinful part of America.

Hank Erwin wrote in a weekly column for news outlets -- quote -- "New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness. It is the kind of behavior that ultimately brings the judgment of God."

The Alabama Republican wrote the column after touring hurricane-ravaged coastal areas.

Erwin's column says, "Warnings year after year by godly evangelists and preachers went unheeded. So why were we surprised when finally the hand of judgment fell?"

The New Orleans Baptist Theological Seminary was flooded by Katrina. But Erwin said the Baptists knew they were ministering in a sinful place that could be targeted.
28
Ionolast
on Oct 10, 2005
I don't know, but saying the world would be better off without someone might be considered "bashing", frankly...


I didn't think anyone here would be stupid enough to agree with Erwin. Looks like I gave them too much credit.
29
Dr Guy
on Oct 10, 2005

The newspaper column was written by Erwin.

Your diatribe was on the quote listed.  We can debate the whole gist of it, but dont accuse me of misquoting.  If there was a misquote, it was your diatribe.  I picked that apart like a harp.  You just dont know what you are talking about, or you just think that as soon as someone mentions god, they are ignorant, stupid, bigotted, asswipes, or all the above. 

let me give you a clue.

Say what you mean and back it up.  Dont point to a dog and call it a rat.

30
Ionolast
on Oct 10, 2005
SCARBOROUGH: And you wrote this—quote—“New Orleans and the Mississippi Gulf Coast have always been known for gambling, sin and wickedness.”ERWIN: Yes.


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