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Idiocy from the heartland
Published on August 9, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

In what can only be described as stupidity, the Denver public LIbrary has decided to make 7 branches 'Hables Espaniol'.  They are banishing english books to the back rooms and going with a spanish motif.

While this may seem like a 'feel good' policy, in actual fact it is just another attempt to keep a minority down.  It is stupidity at its worse.

There is nothing wrong with speaking spanish.  Indeed, I speak a very little and my wife is also fluent in it.  But if Spanish is the only thing you are going to speak, you are not going to get very far in the USA.  Mexico?  Sure!  You can become president there, but not in the USA.  By coddling spanish only speakers, these denizens of dunce have decided that apparently America does not have enough janitors and yard workers, so we must cultivate a permanent underclass.  One that will be happy with their low standard of living and never aspire to better themselves in this country.

For that is what they are doing. It is another example of a PCism that I am sure is being done for all the right reasons, but the effect is to create a permanent low income group of people.  And that is by far worse than any 'feel goodism' that can come of this idiotic attempt.

So chalk another one up for the ignoramuses that poo-poo the citizens trying to make the official language of the US, english (one of only a handful of countries in the world that does not have an official language by the way).  No, those who look to raise all the boats instead of lower the water are just a bunch of small minded jingoistic racists who would deny every culture their right to live in isolation and poverty in the richest country in the world.

Losers is now spelled Denver Public Libraries.


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on Aug 10, 2005
But would you agree that in any multi-cultural society, part of the pride of being such is the diversity of language and cultural differences? In keeping with this, providing some services, such as specific language libraries, is encouraging the idea of multiculturalism as not so much the provision of a manual labour force, but as a more rounded integration of different cultures into the greater whole.
on Aug 10, 2005
Max Faget




I'm so, so, so sorry...but, c'mon...Max Faget...that's great....hahhhahahhahahaa
on Aug 10, 2005
Nowhere did it say that NO Spanish langauge books were available. But hey! Why encourage them to learn english. They might want to get an education and compete for your job, and that would not be acceptable now would it?


i read the article. i'm sure i coulda easily found one that wasn't totally biased against the idea and included ridiculous claims about locking all the english books in the basement (presumably where the spanish books are now)

my point was merely this: if it brings people into the library and gets them reading, it's a whole lot better than if the building is filled with the entire treasury of english literary works but used primarily for posting placas or blocking the wind.

who knows...they might even wind up wanting to learn to read english?

the other thing you and this nutgroup youre quoting fails to recognize is this: many, if not most, of the immigrants coming across our southern border are able to understand a good deal of english. they are often country people and often very self-conscious in general and rather than possibly embarass themselves, they'll deny any knowledge of our language.

the first high school i attended was surrounded by at least four square blocks of polish immigrants. many had been in this country since before ww2. it wasnt uncommon to have 3 generations in one household with only the grandkids who were my age speaking english.

everyone--from politicians to priests (pope john paul visited the place according to their website) made a big deal bout not losing their precious customs and language. the pastor would regularly bully kids in my class for not pronouncing their own surnames correctly or with appropriate finesse(names like pryszblsky or czernykowzki)

i'm sure (once again from their website) the place hasnt changed much. and it was far more acculturated than hamtramyck--the warszawa of the motor city.

compared to the people who lived there, those who migrate across the southern border already speak fluent english.
on Aug 11, 2005
Never French-American or American-French


what the hell is wrong with those cajuns btw? they don't even have the decency to call themselves cajun-americans. or arcadian-americans. maybe they aren't americans at all??
on Aug 11, 2005

But would you agree that in any multi-cultural society, part of the pride of being such is the diversity of language and cultural differences? In keeping with this, providing some services, such as specific language libraries, is encouraging the idea of multiculturalism as not so much the provision of a manual labour force, but as a more rounded integration of different cultures into the greater whole.

Providing a part of a library for langauge diversity is one thing.  Providing libraries for such an outing doeds nothing but to allow those not fluent in the native tongue to stay marginalized and thus always in the under class.

on Aug 11, 2005

I'm so, so, so sorry...but, c'mon...Max Faget...that's great....hahhhahahhahahaa

That is his name, and it is pronounced fah jay.  He is a real cousin of mine (I miss spoke when I said Uncle.  He is the eldest son of one of my Uncles).

Faget is an honored and revered name in my family, and yes, we get a lot of ribbing for it.

on Aug 11, 2005

i read the article. i'm sure i coulda easily found one that wasn't totally biased against the idea and included ridiculous claims about locking all the english books in the basement (presumably where the spanish books are now)

You like to make off handed claims, why dont you back one or two of them up every now and then?

Maybe because it is just wishful thinking on your part?

on Aug 11, 2005

what the hell is wrong with those cajuns btw? they don't even have the decency to call themselves cajun-americans. or arcadian-americans. maybe they aren't americans at all??

Ure right!  We are either Cajun, or American.  Never Cajun-American!

on Aug 11, 2005
Nowhere did it say that NO Spanish language books were available. But hey! Why encourage them to learn english. They might want to get an education and compete for your job, and that would not be acceptable now would it?


i read the article. i'm sure i coulda easily found one that wasn't totally biased against the idea and included ridiculous claims about locking all the english books in the basement (presumably where the spanish books are now)

my point was merely this: if it brings people into the library and gets them reading, it's a whole lot better than if the building is filled with the entire treasury of english literary works but used primarily for polling places or blocking the wind.

who knows...they might even wind up wanting to learn to read english?


No one has suggested that providing spanish books is bad or should not be done. But to make spanish the de facto language in those library branches is wrong and makes it so that the english speaking citizens of that community will not be able to use the facility. And since they're helping to pay for the libraries, that makes it totally bogus.
on Aug 11, 2005
As I said in my initial response;

Surely they could simply allocate some space in existing libraries for Spanish volumes


although I still don't agree that providing specific language libraries is going to keep those people marginalised. But hey, we don't have to agree on everything.

I hope you have a great weekend.

Cheers,

Maso
on Aug 11, 2005
That is his name, and it is pronounced fah jay.


Hahahaha...I realize that...and yet...hahhahahaa...no offense intended...
on Aug 11, 2005
You like to make off handed claims, why dont you back one or two of them up every now and then?
Maybe because it is just wishful thinking on your part?


i'd be willing to bet hard cash money i spend more time verifying my comments with authoritative sources than several of yall highly ranked posters do your entire articles.

this one is a perfect example.

the author is employed by us english inc.

his sole quoted source is the chairman of the board of us english, one mauro e mujica who claims denver "is creating a public institution that intentionally excludes native-born Americans."

senor mujica then goes on to say

"In a nation of immigrants, focusing on a single non-English language is the type of favoritism that we should have abandoned years ago. The taxpayers of Denver -- residents who speak 68 languages -- should not stand idly by while their money goes to support immigrants from El Salvador or Colombia over immigrants from Vietnam or Egypt."

he neglects to mention hispanics make up 34% of denver's population. if you believe he's truly worried about vietnamese or egyptian speakers, i don't know why im wasting my time reading anything you post.

the most revealing portion of this press release--cuz that's that you call an article consisting of quotes from your organization's board of directors--is the pernicious allegation that these 7 libraries will be 'banishing English language books to the backroom.'


one of the quoted sources in a washington times' article Link about the proposed change is a denver library official named beth elder. ms elder points out 'the library has long acted as a "gateway" for immigrants, helping them adjust to life in their new country. "Libraries have always welcomed immigrants and always been a resource for immigrants to improve their lives," she said. "Libraries have always had a role in helping them become members of the community."

in fact, instead of turning these buildings into aztlan temples or la raza fortresses, here's what's planned:

library officials said the "Language and Learning" branches would feature an increased Spanish-language book and periodical collection, a bilingual staff and classes for Spanish speakers on subjects such as English acquisition, high school equivalency and computers.

¡motorolas! y ¡madre de dios!

the same article reports that only 6.8 of denver's library expenditures are currently used to purchase spanish books.

and guess what? there will also be english language materials because they're not being 'banned' nor put in the basement as you proclaim (did that come to you in a dream or did you just pull it outta your ass?).
on Aug 12, 2005
You like to make off handed claims, why dont you back one or two of them up every now and then?
Maybe because it is just wishful thinking on your part?


i'd be willing to bet hard cash money i spend more time verifying my comments with authoritative sources than several of yall highly ranked posters do your entire articles.

this one is a perfect example


Want to try again?


Spanish Set to Become Official Language of Seven Denver Public Library Branches

Distribution Source : U.S. Newswire

Date : Wednesday, August 03, 2005



To: National Desk

Contact: Rob Toonkel of U.S. English, Inc., 202-833-0100

WASHINGTON, Aug. 3 /U.S. Newswire/ -- In a sharp break from American tradition, the Denver Public Library is promoting a plan that would make seven of its branches "Spanish focused," banishing English language books to the backroom. The "Languages and Learning" plan would dramatically increase Spanish language offerings and staff, designating some locations as Spanish dominant. The proposal is currently under review by the Library Commission and an advisory board.



Or this:


Clandestine changes
Sources within the Denver Public Library (DPL) system told CAIR's director that:

Specific Denver Public Libraries are allegedly throwing out English books and replacing them with Spanish language books. This raises the question as to where the funding comes from for the new Spanish books.
Some of the Spanish language "books" brought in include novellas - pornographic comic books. See explicit photos.
The code name for Spanish language libraries is "Language and Learning Libraries".
It is rumored that the Blair-Caldwell African-American research library will be converted to a Language and Learning Library, and that a new Language and Learning Library will also be built.
By November, 2003, library staff began hearing rumors that some branches were going to be changed to Spanish language libraries.
On August 24, 2004, management started having meetings with staff to discuss the changes. Management also began to referring to "English speakers" and "senior citizens" as "non-dominant customers".
Rick Ashton, city librarian, allegedly wants a mill levy for library funding in order to move funding for the library system from under city control. Rick Ashton is allegedly negotiating with Mayor Hickenlooper to place the mill levy on the next November ballot. Mayor Hickenlooper is allegedly proposing a $40 million funding deal, with $25 million from the general fund and $15 million to be obtained from property taxes (an increase of $30/home/year). (See questions regarding funding).
The DPL is trying to find a way to give illegal aliens access to the library. Employees were verbally told to accept Mexican drivers' license. DPL allegedly worked for two months to be able to accept the bogus Matricula Counselar IDs - illegal to accept in Colorado - but the Denver City Attorney finally said no way.
DPL allegedly received a $500,000 grant. Management allegedly discussed using these funds to send staff to Mexico to "better learn Spanish". A possible source of this grant is a Carnegie Corporation 1999 grant of $500,000 for "Special acquisitions for foreign-language collections; ... The population of Denver is changing fast. The acquisition of new bilingual materials in Spanish, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Russian, and English is crucial in ensuring that the library keeps pace with public demand."
This is all driven by federal money - according to some sources, the City allegedly falsified demographics to get LEAP money from the Department of Homeland Security.
Raises/promotions allegedly will not be given to anyone who does not speak Spanish.
A DPL employee was allegedly fired for releasing information to the media.
(The Denver Public Library has pulled material about the library changes, and the public comment form from their for these changes from their website. You can still submit your comments here.)

on Aug 12, 2005
Want to try again?


dr,miler you ignorant slut...the first one is the same source linked to drguys article. why dont you start reading more than the first sentence of my comments? it's never to late to learn somethin. or so they say.

the second source is really authoritative and objective. you can tell cuz all the allegations are made by anonymous sources. furthermore they all make such perfect sense...if youre a fuckin anti-hispanic bigot.

but here's where they screwed up and lied too obviously.

This is all driven by federal money - according to some sources, the City allegedly falsified demographics to get LEAP money from the Department of Homeland Security.
Raises/promotions allegedly will not be given to anyone who does not speak Spanish.


what municipality with a population greater than 80 residents has received any homeland security money except for those lucky locations where they agreed to use the funds to buy racing tractors? the idea that it would be used a. for homeland security or b. for anything useful is so ridiculous i woulda thought even you mighta seen it.

oooops i guess i shouldnt be so flippant. now i'm prolly gonna be double secret blacklisted.
on Aug 12, 2005

And since they're helping to pay for the libraries, that makes it totally bogus.

Besides the cultural arguement, that is a very good one.

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