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Time to adopt a new line
Published on June 19, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Recently we had an article comparing Nazis to Bush.  That is nothing new.  This one was only new in that it was from a non-american (as in they are not of America, not that they were unpatriotic).

But it was the same old tripe and the only purpose it served was to cheapen the holocaust.  The quote he provided was so generic that I dare say that virtually every citizen of this planet that is trying to convince another of their viewpoint is guilty of it.

And so it was just another lame attempt to equate Nazism with the current leadership in America.

And it accomplished nothing.  Indeed, the only thing it did do was piss off some liberals who might have agreed with the poster had the poster not tried this hyperbole.  Instead it just got him some flames and some trolls.

The problem is the use of the analogy.  Analogy is fine to drive home a point.  But using extreme examples that are easily debunked does nothing.  And so he accomplished nothing.

Except one thing.  You see, in this country (since the barb was aimed at it), we have the extreme left (who likes to use 4 letter words like there is a clearance sale on them), the Extreme right (who cannot speak of any subject without invoking Religion), and the vast middle.

The middle is easily swayed one way or another as evidenced by Bill Clintons election and now George Bush's.  They are not on the extreme.  They are in the middle.  But they are not stupid either.  So when the Left uses Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot to describe the opponents, they get kuzzaws from their extreme left, but no converts.  For the middle sees it as an anathema.  An aboration of what they dont want this country to become.

When the extreme right uses similar (altho no where near the hate filled images) to drive home a point, the leadership on the right repudiates them.  The leadership on the left never repudiates their extremes, they only seem to embrace them.

This latest post on JU is just an extension of the left embracing their extremist. instead of repudiating them.  I saw one thread where someone listed the KKK activities of Byrd (just listed).  Thje left, instead of repudiating it, cited Helms.  WHile an extreme conservative, he never had anything to do with the KKK so the poster lost before they hit the enter key.

And so it goes on and on and on.  Most of the posters on the "Bush is a nazi" thread were not arguing "yes he is or no he is not". For there was no need to.  They were calling the poster to task for a statemtent that could just as easily have been applied to the originator.

There are many on the left here on JU that do not attempt these tactics.  They argue policy and results.  And very well I might add.  But there are also some of their brethren that march in lock step to the mind numbed robots of the left leadership and no longer know how to argue issues and points.

Dont get me wrong, there are some on the right who do the same thing.  But how many on the rigth rush to their defense?  Few if any.

This is a wake up call for those on the left (not the rational left that post opposing viewpoints) that must defend everything left.  You earn no points, you only make sure that no one in the targeted middle will listen to you.

When will you learn?  If history is any indication, not in my lifetime.  you have demonstrated that already.


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on Jun 22, 2005
47 by BakerStreet
Wednesday, June 22, 2005


The whlole Rush and drugs thing is silly, anyway. If noteworthy Democratic political editorialists had to back off because they used drugs, would any be left?

Me, I'd put Rush's urine sample up against anyone from the Garafalo crew any day of the week. I wonder how clean Al Franken's blood was back in the old Saturday Night Live days...


is there anyone on the face of the planet that does not have something they are ashamed of in their past?
on Jun 22, 2005
"hyper MOLES baker, yer killing my pun."


nuh, nuh, nuh. BOLE as in bole weevil. No need to shift characters that way. and you get the 'lesser of two' pun to boot!!


"is there anyone on the face of the planet that does not have something they are ashamed of in their past?"


Nope, but the popular mouthpieces of the Liberal left often brandish their drug use like a banner, which makes it all the more sad when they jump on Rush.
on Jun 22, 2005

Me, I'd put Rush's urine sample up against anyone from the Garafalo crew any day of the week. I wonder how clean Al Franken's blood was back in the old Saturday Night Live days...

Franken has blood?  I thought it was ethanol.

on Jun 22, 2005

hyper MOLES baker, yer killing my pun.

I thought both were double groaners!

on Jun 22, 2005

Nope, but the popular mouthpieces of the Liberal left often brandish their drug use like a banner, which makes it all the more sad when they jump on Rush.

And very hypocritical when they tout Robert Downey Jr as a poster boy, while vilifying someone who did not set out to abuse drugs, just got caught by them.  I knew cocaine was bad before Downey went into rehab (went into rehab went into rehab....), but I was unaware of the insidiousness of Oxycontin until Rush admitted his addiction.  I am glad I have never had to take the stuff, and will try like hell to make sure I never have to.

on Jun 22, 2005
"hyper MOLES baker, yer killing my pun."


nuh, nuh, nuh. BOLE as in bole weevil. No need to shift characters that way. and you get the 'lesser of two' pun to boot!!

"is there anyone on the face of the planet that does not have something they are ashamed of in their past?"


Nope, but the popular mouthpieces of the Liberal left often brandish their drug use like a banner, which makes it all the more sad when they jump on Rush.


yikes you took my pun and made it better, and it just flew over my head.

with the left it's always if I do it it's ok, if you do it, it's a crime.
on Jun 22, 2005

with the left it's always if I do it it's ok, if you do it, it's a crime.

Liberal Rule #2: Do as I say, not as I do.

on Jun 22, 2005
I dont recall Limbaugh being elected


i dont recall this article discussing elected officials. if your point is that using the word 'nazi' injudiciously cheapens the holocaust, then clearly limbaugh is guilty.
on Jun 22, 2005
I know that in the cases I speak, you dismissed 2 for the source, not bothering to check to see if additional sources could be found. They were, and I showed you. Yet you dismissed both reports because you did not like the original source. It is you that is clearly unable to either google or read. You pick the one.


the comment to which youre responding wasn't addressed to you. take a moment to read it again. it had to do with rw's article in which he essentially said (after i'd pointed out the points in question were manufactured) that if they'd been inserted in the congressional record that was good enuff for him. (i don't doubt that for a second). you should go back and read thru the scroll.

as far as lw's fetus eater, prior to making my original comment about that nonsense, i had checked the same alternate sources that masonm provided...none of which included any of the excesses of the worldweeklynewsdotnet version. and i provided the minutes of the hearing.

you can now lower your horse.
on Jun 22, 2005
No, it is not the exact same thing. Correct me if I am wrong, but he has not been elected to any leadership position. And your guess would be old news as it is being done all the time, by your Party Leadership!


altho i enjoyed the puns and your somewhat ridiculous discussion about rush's self-proclaimed rehabilitation, the most amusing aspect of this whole thing is my having to point out to the author of the original articile that you've gone way off topic in an obvious attempt to avoid admitting the fact that rush does exactly that for which you're condemning others. i didnt realize he meant so much to you.

not only that, but i'm also required to remind you your article isn't about elected officials using hyperbole...youre clearly castigating the notorious 'another blogger'. so whether limbaugh is elected or not (and we all know he never will be) has nothing at all to do with anything. you keep repeating it long enuff and you may convince yourself, but that's nothing new.

since rush has a national radio audience, his hyperbole much more effectively cheapens the holocaust than any 1000 bloggers on this site.

i've seen you claim to be happily willing to concede when you make an error. not just once, but a number of times. in fact i think you wrote a self-congratulatory post on the subject.

i don't recall actually seeing any such concessions and i doubt ill see one here even tho it's clearly warranted.
on Jun 22, 2005
lest anyone conclude i'm suggesting limbaugh's 'feminazi' characterization was a result of his drug usage, from all indications he may have been meaner than normal when he was kicking, but i doubt theres been a drug invented capable of mellowing down his overly-hyberbolic ass.
on Jun 23, 2005
kingbees argument style: Rush Limbaugh had a drug problem, therefore everything he ever said is bullshit.

Or:

Even though this story was reported by multiple mainstream news sources, the one you used was biased towards the right, PLUS it used inflammatory language, so it's bullshit.

Or:

You cited the incorrect source, so it must be bullshit. (He pulled this one on RW not long ago. He never argued the facts of the issue, but expended major effort on exposing THE TRUE AUTHOR!) But since RW attributed it to the wrong author, it must be bullshit.

I, too, used to expect better from kb, but no more.


lw's argument style: rush limbaugh's drug problem has nothing to do with the actual issue being discussed but maybe if i play it up, enuff people will run with it and distract everyone's attention away from the fact that when rush plays the nazi card, those who are otherwise mortified manage to laff it off.

OR

drag a red herring about sourcing--a matter not at issue here--across the path.

OR

misconstrue a past situation to your best advantage, trying to generate sympathy for yourself because you've being called upon several times in the past 8 months to demonstrate a modicum of that responsibility you constantly demand of others. sure, it's a lil more difficult to stir things up without using the political equivalent of 'whacky space aliens probed me with a barbeque fork' but you've been doin this for long enuff to be able to compensate.

unlike the two of you, i clearly have lower standards and expect this kinda crap from both of yall. and judging from your latest collaboration, i've yet to underestimate you jointly or singly.
on Jun 23, 2005
i dont recall this article discussing elected officials. if your point is that using the word 'nazi' injudiciously cheapens the holocaust, then clearly limbaugh is guilty.


You said his name! Did your tongue fall off?
on Jun 23, 2005
you can now lower your horse.


You did a good job of explaining those discrepancies, but you still failed to address the issues I raised. You may not be wrong all the time, yet you have been proven wrong. I called upon you to stop attacking sources you do not like simply because they are editorially right. One can always weed out the bias and get to the facts in any article, even those of CBS (when it is not fraud).
on Jun 23, 2005
i don't recall actually seeing any such concessions and i doubt ill see one here even tho it's clearly warranted.


Perhaps you wont see one because that was not my topic and I have not commented on it. You can take this in any direction you want, but I have a better idea. Why dont you write a blog (if you can actually stick to the facts, which is debateable) where you can say what you want on any subject you want. And then let others agree or disagree with you.

If I find a Limbaugh Blog, I will tell you about it. Until then, I guess I will just try to slap some sense into the loonies of the left here at JU that think dropping a reference to Hitler bolsters their point. When in fact all it does is show the reader they lost before they began.
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