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Time to adopt a new line
Published on June 19, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Recently we had an article comparing Nazis to Bush.  That is nothing new.  This one was only new in that it was from a non-american (as in they are not of America, not that they were unpatriotic).

But it was the same old tripe and the only purpose it served was to cheapen the holocaust.  The quote he provided was so generic that I dare say that virtually every citizen of this planet that is trying to convince another of their viewpoint is guilty of it.

And so it was just another lame attempt to equate Nazism with the current leadership in America.

And it accomplished nothing.  Indeed, the only thing it did do was piss off some liberals who might have agreed with the poster had the poster not tried this hyperbole.  Instead it just got him some flames and some trolls.

The problem is the use of the analogy.  Analogy is fine to drive home a point.  But using extreme examples that are easily debunked does nothing.  And so he accomplished nothing.

Except one thing.  You see, in this country (since the barb was aimed at it), we have the extreme left (who likes to use 4 letter words like there is a clearance sale on them), the Extreme right (who cannot speak of any subject without invoking Religion), and the vast middle.

The middle is easily swayed one way or another as evidenced by Bill Clintons election and now George Bush's.  They are not on the extreme.  They are in the middle.  But they are not stupid either.  So when the Left uses Hitler, Stalin and Pol Pot to describe the opponents, they get kuzzaws from their extreme left, but no converts.  For the middle sees it as an anathema.  An aboration of what they dont want this country to become.

When the extreme right uses similar (altho no where near the hate filled images) to drive home a point, the leadership on the right repudiates them.  The leadership on the left never repudiates their extremes, they only seem to embrace them.

This latest post on JU is just an extension of the left embracing their extremist. instead of repudiating them.  I saw one thread where someone listed the KKK activities of Byrd (just listed).  Thje left, instead of repudiating it, cited Helms.  WHile an extreme conservative, he never had anything to do with the KKK so the poster lost before they hit the enter key.

And so it goes on and on and on.  Most of the posters on the "Bush is a nazi" thread were not arguing "yes he is or no he is not". For there was no need to.  They were calling the poster to task for a statemtent that could just as easily have been applied to the originator.

There are many on the left here on JU that do not attempt these tactics.  They argue policy and results.  And very well I might add.  But there are also some of their brethren that march in lock step to the mind numbed robots of the left leadership and no longer know how to argue issues and points.

Dont get me wrong, there are some on the right who do the same thing.  But how many on the rigth rush to their defense?  Few if any.

This is a wake up call for those on the left (not the rational left that post opposing viewpoints) that must defend everything left.  You earn no points, you only make sure that no one in the targeted middle will listen to you.

When will you learn?  If history is any indication, not in my lifetime.  you have demonstrated that already.


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on Jun 19, 2005
BUSH IS A FASCIST
on Jun 19, 2005
Just felt like playing into guy's article. In fact, his purpose was not just to piss off some liberals. You are the one who reads into the article whatever suits your purpose, that being to denigrate the original poster and anyone who would remotely agree. Fact is, comparisons can be made whether you acknowledge them or not. So, as I said in the original article, practice the freakin' hell what you preach.

Besides, I really hate the bush neocon fascist pigs.
on Jun 19, 2005

BUSH IS A FASCIST

Live it learn it and die by it.  It will not get you any recruits.  Not all are as mind numbed as you are.

on Jun 19, 2005

Just felt like playing into guy's article. In fact, his purpose was not just to piss off some liberals. You are the one who reads into the article whatever suits your purpose, that being to denigrate the original poster and anyone who would remotely agree. Fact is, comparisons can be made whether you acknowledge them or not. So, as I said in the original article, practice the freakin' hell what you preach.

Did you even read the article?  If you did, then you would know that your response is very Facist by your own standards.

I dont have to twist anything.  You will do it regardless of the advice offered.  That is not surprising, but it is to be expected.

on Jun 19, 2005
Well written and very true. I consider myself "in the middle" with perhaps a bit of a right lean but by no means am I extremely one way or the other. I actually do agree with some of what the left believes in, as well as some of what the right believes in, and make up my own mind based on that.

But I will certainly not be convinced by or even consider ideas that are presented in an absurd, juvenile, or hateful manner. It says far more about the person presenting such a message than the message itself. They may as well have not said anything at all as the message gets lost in the crap they choose to wrap it in. (That goes for left and right)

#2 by zinkadoodle
Sunday, June 19, 2005


Perfect example. No rational point, counter point, or anything else worthwhile. Just a juvenile rant with no real purpose other than to demonstrate a lack of communication skills.
on Jun 19, 2005
I really think zinkadoodle is a new incarnation for dabe. They have the whole Bruce Wayne/Batman thing going. You'll never get them in the same room.

The two are basically interchangable, so I guess it doesn't matter if they are two different people. The Borg of the Left.
on Jun 19, 2005
I think in order to villify someone who hasn't done anything wrong, you have to put the two together and hope the stink will rub off. Hitler is a tried-and-true example, but it backfires when people realize how demeaning it is to those who suffered under Nazis.

The Left likes to villify Bush for making us aware of terrorism and threats, but then they are the first to cry panic with imagined threats from the Right. Bush is going to steal your cow and rape your women and confiscate your porn. It's idiotic, but then what do you exect from people who have no confidence in humanity and feel that without the Ted Kennedys of the world to abuse them they'd wither and die.

You don't have to work to draw comparisons between the modern Left and the regimes that during the last century caused so much pain and suffering. They have to work their ass off and still end up making empty comparisons. Makes me think they don't have much evil to work with.
on Jun 19, 2005
Totally assinine claims & allegations seem to be all the rage lately and all the left has "left." Rangel, Durban, Kennedy, Gore... it's just absurd. Rangel actually owes one to Durban for stealing the heat so quickly. Oh,well. It's not like they haven't been warned about the cliff in front of them.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jun 19, 2005
Perfect example. No rational point, counter point, or anything else worthwhile. Just a juvenile rant with no real purpose other than to demonstrate a lack of communication skills.


You know, it was not what I was expecting, but I guess I should have.

The sad part of it is, they think they are making a point.

To themselves perhaps, and no one else. I am sure DU.org would love them. the other 80% of the people just see them as pathetic fools.
on Jun 19, 2005
The two are basically interchangable, so I guess it doesn't matter if they are two different people. The Borg of the Left.


Borg of the left yes. Dabe? No. They think they are making a point. And they do the huuzaas when they post. But the only ones doing a hoo or zaa is the sheeple.
on Jun 19, 2005
You don't have to work to draw comparisons between the modern Left and the regimes that during the last century caused so much pain and suffering. They have to work their ass off and still end up making empty comparisons. Makes me think they don't have much evil to work with.


Excellent and insightfully all! And yes, the last part is what I quoted because it is so true and to the point.

You know what the best part about being a conservative is? being able to speak the truth and knowing the left will ignore it! We can, they can not!
on Jun 19, 2005
Totally assinine claims & allegations seem to be all the rage lately and all the left has "left." Rangel, Durban, Kennedy, Gore... it's just absurd. Rangel actually owes one to Durban for stealing the heat so quickly. Oh,well. It's not like they haven't been warned about the cliff in front of them.


Like the old Joke. Bridge out. They dont beleive it because a conservative posted the sign!
on Jun 19, 2005
BUSH IS A FASCIST

Fascists are Socialists. NAZI = National Socialist Party of Germany.

Bush is many things, but he is not a socialist. Fascists are simply socialists that are for a tyrant running them whereas communism requires a group of rulers with a titular head. And then of course there is Europe now, which is a democratic socialist state.

They all have one thing in common: The assume that their values should be forced on everyone else.

Bush does the same thing, but with his relgion. So same problem, different reason.

Perhaps "Bush is a tyrant" is what you mean
on Jun 20, 2005
I've decided the left have no clue as to the meaning of words anymore.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Jun 20, 2005

Bush does the same thing, but with his relgion. So same problem, different reason.

Perhaps "Bush is a tyrant" is what you mean

I am not of Bush's religion, and I have never felt any pressure to believe as he does.  SO the accusation tha bush is Pusing his religion is just hyperbole.  He is living his religion, and if that is pushing it, then Daiwa is right.  The left has lost the understanding of words.

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