Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
No Right Answer
Published on March 17, 2011 By Dr Guy In Personal Computing

I have several browsers on my desktop.  I have XP at home (bought 3 years ago - BEFORE 7, and did not want Vista) so IE9 is not an option (work is Vista - I was right in my home purchase).  So I am using IE8 both at home and work.  When I use IE.  I have Firefox which is my browser of choice, Opera, Safari, and Chrome.

I know many will disagree with me, and that is fine, but my experiences show that no one is winning, just some are losing slower.

Opera is fine if all you want to do is read the news.  It is relatively fast, and clean.  for a quick hit, I like it, but seldom use it.

Safari is for Mac users.  Nothing wrong with the windows version - just not a lot right (like add ons and such).  It has not given me a reason to switch to it as a primary browser - or even secondary.  As such, I do not hate it, just do not use it.

Chrome is not fast.  I wonder if the FCC will nab them for false advertising.  Doubtful since it is free.  but the lack of speed has turned me off to it.  Like Opera, I use it on occasion, but it is not on the top of my browser list.

IE is fast launching.  It is also the browser of last resort (when the Stardock forums mess up, or a web page will not display correctly in other browsers, IE will work).  But it is not fast surfing.  And has one idiosyncrasy (actually 2) that I hate.

#1: when closing multiple tabs and windows, and saving them, relaunching IE brings them all up in one window.  Why? (Did 9 fix that?)

#2: More often than not, when closing said tabs, IE will "crash" and then open all the windows again - without asking.

#3 (well, I mis-counted) Windows does not recover from a non-shutdown crash with all tabs.

But on the good side, of my top 2 browsers, it is by far the most frugal with memory (I never thought I would say that!).  I had 2 windows and 12 tabs open the other day, and it was using only 100mb of memory (ONLY!!!!!  God we have come far).

Firefox is my browser of first choice.  I like the thousands of Add Ons I can choose to add (or not), the ease at which I can enable or disable them, and the fast browsing.  But it is not perfect.

#1: It is slow to launch - especially if there is an update.  But even without an update, it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

#2: it is a memory HOG!  Same day, I also had Firefox up with 6 tabs open, one window.  It was pegging 500mb!  I frequently have to crash the browser as once it gets over 500mb (one system has 2gb the other has 4gb of memory so it does not appear to matter how much total memory there is), it dogs it.  But the crashing leads to the reason it is my main browser - namely:

#1: When you shut it down, and then relaunch, it does not open the Home pages PLUS the saved tabs (IE does thatt - and I have 3 home pages so it really clutters things up).

#2: When you crash it (or it does it to itself - it does not crash often), it will open the previous tabs in their respective windows - not all in one.  Often when IE crashes, your tabs are gone.

#3 - and the biggest reason I prefer it - it is not IE!  In that I mean you avoid the bugs that the script kiddies and malware authors love to exploit in IE (should Firefox become #1, I am sure they will target it and I will probably change my main browser).

But that brings up another thing that is not good about Firefox (version 3.x.x).  It does not allow you to "save" tabs when you have multiple windows open until you close the last one.  Unless you crash it.

Still, with all its faults (well not so many, just aggravating), Firefox is my browser of choice. 

Now before someone gets to calling me stupid for missing something obvious on a setting, I will admit that while I have poked around in the options, I am not an expert at them.  So if you know a setting that can ease my gripes about either IE or Firefox, I will be happy to hear them!  Or if you want to tout the wonders of another browser, tell me why it is your favorite.  I am not a browser snob.  I just want a tool that I do not have to crash periodically (Firefox) - or that crashes on me (IE).


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on Mar 24, 2011

There is no banking information, credit card information, or Social Security information stored within my Gmail account. How would they steal my identity?

on Mar 24, 2011

kona0197
There is no banking information, credit card information, or Social Security information stored within my Gmail account. How would they steal my identity?

Do you bank on line?  Google can track that.  Do you purchase on line?  Google can track that.  On a genealogy web site?  Guess who is indexing those sites (I found a treasure trove of my family information on a site called Family Tree - indexed at google!  In other words, I Googled it). What about Google Earth?  Like that picture of your house?  So do thieves.

These are the things that Starkers hates, and I fear.  getting that information is the major battle.  The rest is just social engineering.

on Mar 24, 2011

Yeah but Bing does the same things. Why just target Google?

on Mar 24, 2011

Not trying to make this a bug thread but since I was just praising Opera's cookie management I now feel obligated to throw this out here:

"Quirk"- Opera's "Delete all cookies upon exit" (with or without specific site exceptions) seems to be reliable only if you use the Menu/Exit command to exit the browser.  Using the upper right corner standard Windows "Close" button seems to have an annoying tendency to leave the cookies in place (but not all the time).  Again that's "on my machine" which is XP.  I'll be using the Menu/Exit, thank you.

on Mar 24, 2011

That's very interesting DaveRI. I'll have to see if the same thing occurs on Win 7. If it does then maybe those who use it will see this also and take note. Like me. Thanks for the heads up.

on Mar 24, 2011

I have two questions. One: What is Opera turbo? and Two: Does anyone use it? Oh and #3 ...  Do I want to use it?

 

on Mar 24, 2011

This is their Help page on it http://help.opera.com/Windows/11.01/en/turbo.html

Short answer - proxy server with server-side webpage compression to speed things up

I tried it briefly and it didn't suit me at all.  Looked like it was stripping out a lot of formatting, seriously degraded my "web viewing pleasure" .  Might be useful to someone more interested in pure text.  It's easy enough to turn on and off, give it a whirl on some of your favorite sites and see what you think. 

on Mar 24, 2011

Very informative. I'd use the auto setting when I'm at the dayroom, not here where the speed isn't compromised. Thanks for the link.

on Mar 24, 2011

when I try to quote here with Opera 11.01 (or copy/paste), it crashes. Any ideas?

on Mar 24, 2011

I'm looking to see if I can replicate that. Well ... couldn't do it and I don't think copy/paste works within the forums, from one post to another. Sorry. I'm trying to see if I can duplicate some of the problems I'm reading in this thread using FF4, Opera and Palemoon. So far its a no go.

However, I've discovered that I can't copy/paste with Opera 11.01 either. Bet others will experience the same.

 

on Mar 24, 2011

Yes Opera crashes on me when quoting here too.  (You'll forgive me for not quoting   .)

on Mar 25, 2011

Dr Guy

Quoting kona0197, reply 106There is no banking information, credit card information, or Social Security information stored within my Gmail account. How would they steal my identity?
Do you bank on line?  Google can track that.  Do you purchase on line?  Google can track that.  On a genealogy web site?  Guess who is indexing those sites (I found a treasure trove of my family information on a site called Family Tree - indexed at google!  In other words, I Googled it). What about Google Earth?  Like that picture of your house?  So do thieves.

These are the things that Starkers hates, and I fear.  getting that information is the major battle.  The rest is just social engineering.

Tell ya wot, Dr G, you know how to put words into my mouth very well.... these are exactly the things I hate about Google, their pervasive, invasive and incessant drive for information that can be turned around to harm people in varieties of ways.   People should never think for a millisecond that they have personal/private information anywhere on the net.... not since the advent of Google and its insatiable desire to know everything about everybody. 

And just because you do a Google Search on yourself and it does not reveal any dirty laundry about you, kona, that doesn't mean to say they do not possess it.  Their discretionary publishing powers may conceal it for the time being, but hey, start mouthing off against Google like I do and suddenly you might find information about yourself published online you'd rather the public didn't see.... like the time you had a dose of the crabs or unsightly puss oozing from your dangly bits.  Okay, maybe those things do not appear in your medical file, but more and more doctors surgeries/clinics are storing patient files online these days... and if they're online, you can bet your lefty that Google has a way of accessing them.

kona0197
Yeah but Bing does the same things. Why just target Google?

Um, does Bing really do the same things... as in go to any extreme to collect data about everything and everyone regardless of the consequences? I believe not. The only similarity is they're both search engines, and it pretty much ends there.  However, if they thought that they could get away with it, I do believe Google would stoop so low as to send a microscopic camera up your back passage to see what you had for dinner... then to try to determine if you've partaken of any illegal substances recently... for future reference, if you know what I mean.... cops, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc. 

Exactly, kona, I believe Google does do evil and that it has little or NO compunction in doing so... with a great emphasis on the NO part.

on Mar 25, 2011

Right Starkers. Whatever. You probably also believe Microsoft isn't a monopoly either right?

on Mar 25, 2011

kona0197
Right Starkers. Whatever. You probably also believe Microsoft isn't a monopoly either right?

Actually, Microsoft isn't a monopoly.  It has competitors in Apple/Mac; Linux distributions; IBM; Amiga; Aegis; Lynx, and even Google, plus other minor players, and that's just in the Operating System Arena.

In the Office arena there is Open Office; Ashampoo Office; AbiWord; Corel Office; Adobe Office Apps SoftMaker office apps and others.

So no, Microsoft is not a monopoly.  It may have the largest market share in OS and Office software, but it is certainly not alone in the market, which is what it would have to be to be a true monopoly.

on Mar 25, 2011

Amiga  *sigh* [e digicons]:'([/e] ... Long live AROS 

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