Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
No Right Answer
Published on March 17, 2011 By Dr Guy In Personal Computing

I have several browsers on my desktop.  I have XP at home (bought 3 years ago - BEFORE 7, and did not want Vista) so IE9 is not an option (work is Vista - I was right in my home purchase).  So I am using IE8 both at home and work.  When I use IE.  I have Firefox which is my browser of choice, Opera, Safari, and Chrome.

I know many will disagree with me, and that is fine, but my experiences show that no one is winning, just some are losing slower.

Opera is fine if all you want to do is read the news.  It is relatively fast, and clean.  for a quick hit, I like it, but seldom use it.

Safari is for Mac users.  Nothing wrong with the windows version - just not a lot right (like add ons and such).  It has not given me a reason to switch to it as a primary browser - or even secondary.  As such, I do not hate it, just do not use it.

Chrome is not fast.  I wonder if the FCC will nab them for false advertising.  Doubtful since it is free.  but the lack of speed has turned me off to it.  Like Opera, I use it on occasion, but it is not on the top of my browser list.

IE is fast launching.  It is also the browser of last resort (when the Stardock forums mess up, or a web page will not display correctly in other browsers, IE will work).  But it is not fast surfing.  And has one idiosyncrasy (actually 2) that I hate.

#1: when closing multiple tabs and windows, and saving them, relaunching IE brings them all up in one window.  Why? (Did 9 fix that?)

#2: More often than not, when closing said tabs, IE will "crash" and then open all the windows again - without asking.

#3 (well, I mis-counted) Windows does not recover from a non-shutdown crash with all tabs.

But on the good side, of my top 2 browsers, it is by far the most frugal with memory (I never thought I would say that!).  I had 2 windows and 12 tabs open the other day, and it was using only 100mb of memory (ONLY!!!!!  God we have come far).

Firefox is my browser of first choice.  I like the thousands of Add Ons I can choose to add (or not), the ease at which I can enable or disable them, and the fast browsing.  But it is not perfect.

#1: It is slow to launch - especially if there is an update.  But even without an update, it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

#2: it is a memory HOG!  Same day, I also had Firefox up with 6 tabs open, one window.  It was pegging 500mb!  I frequently have to crash the browser as once it gets over 500mb (one system has 2gb the other has 4gb of memory so it does not appear to matter how much total memory there is), it dogs it.  But the crashing leads to the reason it is my main browser - namely:

#1: When you shut it down, and then relaunch, it does not open the Home pages PLUS the saved tabs (IE does thatt - and I have 3 home pages so it really clutters things up).

#2: When you crash it (or it does it to itself - it does not crash often), it will open the previous tabs in their respective windows - not all in one.  Often when IE crashes, your tabs are gone.

#3 - and the biggest reason I prefer it - it is not IE!  In that I mean you avoid the bugs that the script kiddies and malware authors love to exploit in IE (should Firefox become #1, I am sure they will target it and I will probably change my main browser).

But that brings up another thing that is not good about Firefox (version 3.x.x).  It does not allow you to "save" tabs when you have multiple windows open until you close the last one.  Unless you crash it.

Still, with all its faults (well not so many, just aggravating), Firefox is my browser of choice. 

Now before someone gets to calling me stupid for missing something obvious on a setting, I will admit that while I have poked around in the options, I am not an expert at them.  So if you know a setting that can ease my gripes about either IE or Firefox, I will be happy to hear them!  Or if you want to tout the wonders of another browser, tell me why it is your favorite.  I am not a browser snob.  I just want a tool that I do not have to crash periodically (Firefox) - or that crashes on me (IE).


Comments (Page 9)
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on Mar 25, 2011

Microsoft IS a monopoly. They are in and out of court for such practices as buying out competing companies so as to crush competition. They give deep discounts to those PC manufacturers who choose to have Windows installed instead of Linux. The list goes on. MS is just as bad as Google.

on Mar 25, 2011

I use ClickaBoomBoom ! Perfect Browser...

on Mar 25, 2011

lecajef
I use ClickaBoomBoom

Got a link? Maybe clickaboomboom is what all of us need to defeat the evil googleheads. Either that or form a search engine/mono-poly of our own so's we can gather all the dirty stuff on google and microstuff and bing and sell it to the lowest bidder. We should be able to make a few pennies I think.  

on Mar 25, 2011

kona0197
Microsoft IS a monopoly. They are in and out of court for such practices as buying out competing companies so as to crush competition. They give deep discounts to those PC manufacturers who choose to have Windows installed instead of Linux.

That may be so... or may have been so, but still a monopoly it does not make.  Apple and IBM are companies that MS probably could not buy out, either to nurture or destroy... and then there's Ubuntu and other Linux distributions.  Therefore. Microsoft has competitors who are not going away any time soon, thus it is an industry leader among others, not a monopoly with 100% market share.

kona0197
MS is just as bad as Google.

Thankfully, no!  MS may have been somewhat predatory in its bid to become number one software distributor, but that was quite out in the open and various court decisions have since leveled that playing field.  However, Google is playing a different field and is not so transparent with regard to its agendas or goals.  Moreover, Google has violated laws in many states and/or countries and has gotten away with it so far because they offer apologies and 'viable' excuses to dissuade prosecution from various authorities... "Oh, sorry, we were just conducting research into unsecured wi-fi connections to raise public awareness." 

Yeah, right.  Truth is, Google was eavesdropping. 

on Mar 25, 2011

What if the "eavesdropping" prevented things like a terrorist attack or a senseless murder?

on Mar 25, 2011

Think about the cyberattack on the EU conference recently. Food for thought. Sometimes, not all the time mind you but sometimes the bad guys aren't the ones you think they are. An observation.

on Mar 25, 2011

on Mar 25, 2011

VIVA CKICKA BOOM

on Mar 25, 2011

kona0197
What if the "eavesdropping" prevented things like a terrorist attack or a senseless murder?

kona, no disrespect intended: There's a murder that does make sense?

kona0197
Microsoft IS a monopoly. They are in and out of court for such practices as buying out competing companies so as to crush competition. They give deep discounts to those PC manufacturers who choose to have Windows installed instead of Linux. The list goes on. MS is just as bad as Google.

While MS has been proven guilty of unfair business practices, it was voted one of the ten most ethical companies this year. Does that mean it doesn't collect info, etc.? No. Only no new legal problems over the past year. Greanted, not a huge achievement, but going in the right direction? Yes.

As to monopoly, I have to agree with starkers. It has competitors and successful ones in every field it engages in.The definition of monopoly is that one company owns all, or almost all the means of production and/or supply of a given commodity or service with or without actively engaging in illegal or unethical practices barring the entrance of competitors. There is no field in which this is currently true of MS.

I will agree that in the past MS was guilty of activities preventing the entrance of competition, actively (legally and illegally) and passively (integration of IE with the OS), but as far as I can see, that has been remedied.

 

on Mar 25, 2011

kona0197
Yeah but Bing does the same things. Why just target Google?

Because they are more organized and pervasive.  Bing does not have the resources (yet) that google does, nor the market share.  I do not "love" bing either, but for now, they are not the main threat.

 

on Mar 25, 2011

DrJBHL
when I try to quote here with Opera 11.01 (or copy/paste), it crashes. Any ideas?

No, but if it is any solace, it does it to me as well.

on Mar 25, 2011

I'm looking to see if I can replicate that. Well ... couldn't do it and I don't think copy/paste works within the forums, from one post to another. Sorry. I'm trying to see if I can duplicate some of the problems I'm reading in this thread using FF4, Opera and Palemoon. So far its a no go.

However, I've discovered that I can't copy/paste with Opera 11.01 either. Bet others will experience the same.

Yes.  I tried copying and pasting my last response to the Doc and it would not do it.  OPera and JU do not seem to be playing well together.

on Mar 25, 2011

starkers
Okay, maybe those things do not appear in your medical file, but more and more doctors surgeries/clinics are storing patient files online these days... and if they're online, you can bet your lefty that Google has a way of accessing them.

In this country they are trying to make it a law that your medical records be kept on line (perhaps not in google, but easily accessible to any doctors anywhere).  The rationale behind that is if you have an emergency while on vacation - the attending physician can look up your history if you are unable to give it to them.  Sounds so noble.

but in order to do that, they have to be accessible.  And that means they can be hacked.  So what do you say?  No one cares about your puss filled boil?

2 things happen.  #1, the days of figuring you are safe because you are uninteresting are over.  ID thieves are looking for exactly those type of people (because they can get away with it longer).  Do you really think a good crook wants to steal Mel Gibson or Jodie Foster's ID? 

Second, what can be read can be written. So there is nothing in your records, right?  A couple of mouse clicks and all of a sudden you are a felon who is Doctor Shopping!  And there is no proof that you are not.

The idiots who are proposing these laws are also the same idiots that think rat infested public housing projects are a good thing.

starkers
, I do believe Google would stoop so low as to send a microscopic camera up your back passage to see what you had for dinner... then to try to determine if you've partaken of any illegal substances recently... for future reference, if you know what I mean.... cops, CIA, NSA, FBI, etc.

They do not have to do that.  If the law I mentioned above goes into place, then the rotor rooter I had recently would be available to any hacker who had a mind - shared means public unless you have a closed network (and then you can get a Bradley manning to make it public even then).

on Mar 25, 2011

kona0197
What if the "eavesdropping" prevented things like a terrorist attack or a senseless murder?

That will always be the eternal debate - safety and security versus personal freedom.  Just remember Ben Franklin - "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

on Mar 25, 2011

Think about the cyberattack on the EU conference recently. Food for thought. Sometimes, not all the time mind you but sometimes the bad guys aren't the ones you think they are. An observation.

As the Aesop fable goes - Those who shit on you are not always your enemies, and those that give you a helping hand are not all your friends.

 

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