Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
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Published on March 17, 2011 By Dr Guy In Personal Computing

I have several browsers on my desktop.  I have XP at home (bought 3 years ago - BEFORE 7, and did not want Vista) so IE9 is not an option (work is Vista - I was right in my home purchase).  So I am using IE8 both at home and work.  When I use IE.  I have Firefox which is my browser of choice, Opera, Safari, and Chrome.

I know many will disagree with me, and that is fine, but my experiences show that no one is winning, just some are losing slower.

Opera is fine if all you want to do is read the news.  It is relatively fast, and clean.  for a quick hit, I like it, but seldom use it.

Safari is for Mac users.  Nothing wrong with the windows version - just not a lot right (like add ons and such).  It has not given me a reason to switch to it as a primary browser - or even secondary.  As such, I do not hate it, just do not use it.

Chrome is not fast.  I wonder if the FCC will nab them for false advertising.  Doubtful since it is free.  but the lack of speed has turned me off to it.  Like Opera, I use it on occasion, but it is not on the top of my browser list.

IE is fast launching.  It is also the browser of last resort (when the Stardock forums mess up, or a web page will not display correctly in other browsers, IE will work).  But it is not fast surfing.  And has one idiosyncrasy (actually 2) that I hate.

#1: when closing multiple tabs and windows, and saving them, relaunching IE brings them all up in one window.  Why? (Did 9 fix that?)

#2: More often than not, when closing said tabs, IE will "crash" and then open all the windows again - without asking.

#3 (well, I mis-counted) Windows does not recover from a non-shutdown crash with all tabs.

But on the good side, of my top 2 browsers, it is by far the most frugal with memory (I never thought I would say that!).  I had 2 windows and 12 tabs open the other day, and it was using only 100mb of memory (ONLY!!!!!  God we have come far).

Firefox is my browser of first choice.  I like the thousands of Add Ons I can choose to add (or not), the ease at which I can enable or disable them, and the fast browsing.  But it is not perfect.

#1: It is slow to launch - especially if there is an update.  But even without an update, it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

#2: it is a memory HOG!  Same day, I also had Firefox up with 6 tabs open, one window.  It was pegging 500mb!  I frequently have to crash the browser as once it gets over 500mb (one system has 2gb the other has 4gb of memory so it does not appear to matter how much total memory there is), it dogs it.  But the crashing leads to the reason it is my main browser - namely:

#1: When you shut it down, and then relaunch, it does not open the Home pages PLUS the saved tabs (IE does thatt - and I have 3 home pages so it really clutters things up).

#2: When you crash it (or it does it to itself - it does not crash often), it will open the previous tabs in their respective windows - not all in one.  Often when IE crashes, your tabs are gone.

#3 - and the biggest reason I prefer it - it is not IE!  In that I mean you avoid the bugs that the script kiddies and malware authors love to exploit in IE (should Firefox become #1, I am sure they will target it and I will probably change my main browser).

But that brings up another thing that is not good about Firefox (version 3.x.x).  It does not allow you to "save" tabs when you have multiple windows open until you close the last one.  Unless you crash it.

Still, with all its faults (well not so many, just aggravating), Firefox is my browser of choice. 

Now before someone gets to calling me stupid for missing something obvious on a setting, I will admit that while I have poked around in the options, I am not an expert at them.  So if you know a setting that can ease my gripes about either IE or Firefox, I will be happy to hear them!  Or if you want to tout the wonders of another browser, tell me why it is your favorite.  I am not a browser snob.  I just want a tool that I do not have to crash periodically (Firefox) - or that crashes on me (IE).


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on Mar 23, 2011

MasonM
Firefox opens pretty fast for me, so not sure about that 5 minute thing. It is my browser of choice. I have never liked Internet Exploder and refuse to use it.

I agree about Chrome being slow. I think it stinks.

I gather that is in your Windows session and not your Linux?  I will have to play with FF on my desktop computer more and see if I can strip it down and get it faster. 

As for Chrome, it is not "slow" for me, just not fast like advertised.

on Mar 23, 2011

What I don't get is why we're still calling it 'browser wars' when there hasn't been a real war since IE and Netscape.

Everything's peachy.  Except for Opera, who couldn't get users if someone donated 30 billion dollars to them.

People will use what they feel like using.  That's pretty much all there is to say.

it was a catchy title.  Sounds better than "The continuing evaluation of relative performance of Internet portal software".

on Mar 23, 2011

We're practicing for when Microstuff gets it right or, at least, good enough to compete with the other browsers. Meaning IE works for everyone the way it should. Not bashing those who like it mind you. To each his/her own.

One of the good things about the latest competition (in deference to Savyg) is that it does push Microsoft to get their act together and come out with a better product.  IE9 in the future may be viewed as the "ME" of browsers, and the real killer will be IE10.

on Mar 23, 2011

For me, using Chrome would be like inviting the devil to dinner then have him move in permanently.

yea, but he brings a great ham to the feast.

on Mar 23, 2011

Dr Guy

For me, using Chrome would be like inviting the devil to dinner then have him move in permanently.

yea, but he brings a great ham to the feast.

Maybe, but who'd want him as a permanent fixture around the place?

And that reflects my feelings on Google's phone home browser.... it'll never ever be a fixture on any PC in this house.

I remember back a while ago I was doing a clean install of [I think] Winamp, and when all was done I noticed an entry for Google in my Program files and a Chrome icon on my desktop, and let's just say that I was effing furious.  There was no indication or opt out feature with that installation, and that pissed me severely so I sent an angered email announcing my great displeasure.

Hehe, and when I uninstalled Chrome, there was this survey thing to ask why, I just answered: "Because I don't want this slimy piece of phone home shit on my computer."

Do you think that told 'em?

on Mar 23, 2011

Probably why they bought the 'wind' farm out at sea. They heard about your reputation.

on Mar 23, 2011

Don't matter where they buy shit, Google will never be safe from my anti-Google tirades.... NOT EVER.

And even when I'm gone, kids and grandkids have been trained to carry on my good work... to be sure, to be sure.

on Mar 23, 2011

Hey Starkers I still don't understand your dislike of Google. Bing and even MS themselves have software that does the exact same thing as Google does.

on Mar 23, 2011

starkers
Don't matter where they buy shit, Google will never be safe from my anti-Google tirades.... NOT EVER.

And even when I'm gone, kids and grandkids have been trained to carry on my good work... to be sure, to be sure.

I would not say that.  We already see where speaking your mind about the president gets you a visit from the FBI.  While threatening him is one thing, no one was worried about trashing the man before.  Until now.  And who is his best friend?  Think Google.

big brother is watching.

on Mar 23, 2011

I have several times said I'm surprised Bush never got assassinated.  Even while he was president.  I have yet to get a visit from anyone.

Though I'm probably on a watch list somewhere wasting government time and moneys.  Heh.

on Mar 23, 2011

Dr Guy
"The continuing evaluation of relative performance of Internet portal software".

Oh I kind of like that one too, sounds so official 

Here's where I ended up purely in terms of speed after playing with these, purely observation.  All are fresh installs except of course for IE.  It's on a P4 XPHome machine.

1. Fastest, hands down - Chrome

2. Pretty darn fast - Opera

3. Next - Pale Moon

4. Almost as fast as Pale Moon - FireFox 4

5. Just a dash faster than IE8 - FireFox 3.6 whatever

6. The behemoth, IE8.

In terms of features I definitely like Opera best.  Unfortunately I keep running into site compatibility issues, more and more as time goes on, so I'm not sure how that's going to work out.  Chrome is so darn stripped, probably part of the reason it's fast for me, and I don't really like the way it works in general.  Pale Moon and FF4, flip a coin.

[sigh]  So, Opera, if you could get a little less quirky you'd be my easy choice.  There's my scientific analysis  .

on Mar 23, 2011

StevenAus
I wonder how Palemoon will handle the FF4 update.

Pale moon 4

 

on Mar 23, 2011

I have Opera, palemoon and FF4. FF4 is faster than both, I don't have Chrome. How come its that way for me and not for you and I have used all three of them. The slowest is palemoon. I use that one to upload stuff. As for Opera ... its no different than FF4. They even look similar. But FF4 loads about ten seconds faster. My scientific observation.

on Mar 23, 2011

Based on everybody's remarks it does seem like the different browsers run different speed-wise on different machines.  Somebody smarter than me might know the answer to that  

The features I really like on Opera that I like that I don't see on FF4 are a) Running the tabs down the side instead of just across the top and being able to delete all cookies upon exit except for certain sites which I can specify.  Seems like Opera has a lot more than FF in terms of configuration options, but those are the 2 that I really zoomed in on.

But if I keep running into site issues with Opera, well....

 

edit: And speaking of compatibility, Chrome just now picked up my "b"")" above as the sunglasses smiley.  Pfft.

on Mar 23, 2011

Wouldn't ya know it. Playing around in there got me logged off and my response was not submitted. Go figure. HMPH! I should remember to save the darned things before futzing around. Oh well. I didn't find the function to make exceptions. All I found was a way to get myself logged off.

The function to clear everything when you close the browser.

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