often seems to shine through on your blogs

maybe i've been asleep at the keyboard or the victim of some sorta manchurian candidate subliminal training but i really don't recall any instances of 'left-wing dogma of "Those damn ignorant breeders"' at all, much less anything that could possibly 'shine thru' my posts.

perhaps you just pulled that outta your ass?

Reply By: Marcie Helen

I have a lot of reading to do, but lady, I dont want you near my children until you get a mind of your own!

Will respond more later.

I have a lot of reading to do, but lady, I dont want you near my children until you get a mind of your own! Will respond more later.

No problem. The resignation is on the desk in the morning.

Kingbee: Here's the deal - just because you say a thing is true and repeat that statement over and over doesn't make it true.

It's a trend of yours: Insisting that you are right doesn't make a compelling argument.  Sheer arrogance is no substitute for knowledge or logic.  If you want to convince people of the logic or correctness of your viewpoint, then you need to back up your assertions with evidence or at least an argument.  You saying something is so in a void is not remotely convincing.

just because you say a thing is true and repeat that statement over and over doesn't make it true.

what exactly is it that you're disputing?

do i really need to provide evidence that 100% of teachers in all 50 states are required to complete at least a 4 year college program? if not, then you'll have to show me where 100% of parents (some of whom are very likely teachers themselves) are equally well educated.

i don't believe we've any disagreement as to the efficacy of zero tolerance.

i incorrectly inverted bennett's cv. he was reagan's sec of education before becoming ghwb's drug czar. i still contend he was the prime exponent of zero tolerance. Link

"William Bennett, former Department of Education Secretary under Reagan, rose to the position at a time when the country was getting comfortable with the idea of having a drug czar. Bennett implemented Reagan’s “zero-tolerance” orthodoxy, minimizing the medical aspects and maximizing the moral failing of addiction, and was good at demanding “accountability” from state and local governments."

if the expansion of zero tolerance policies doesn't flow directly from there, from where does it come?

You mean if you were the administration you would have handled it differently? In this post-Columbine age, can you afford to not take threats seriously?

What makes Columbine such a defining moment?  As I have stated, in 1970, we had a bomb actually go off in our school.  Not a threat, a bomb.  Did all schools then become gulags because of that? Hell!  The only reprecussions we had was that we got out of school for 2 days!

We have allowed the crazies to win when we start assuming that every child is like the Columbine kids, instead of just being kids.  Sure we may avert another columbine.  At what price?  At the price of a bunch of veal calves?

It's not? When the subject of a violent crime is a real person? Can you put yourself in this teacher's position? Imagine yourself at say, 23, 24 years old, teaching in a high school, new to the whole thing, the high schoolers bigger than you are. And then you come to find out that two football players who know you have written down a plan for your demise. I don't know about you, but joking or not, I think I'd be a little concerned for my safety. I'm a big girl, but I think I'd still be scared. I'm no match for two football players. I think I'd "break a promise" too if two of my students wrote about cutting off some needed parts of mine.

Then perhaps we are making a mistake hiring teachers.  Robots, that can do no more than what their programming defines, would be better.  You cant kill a robot, you can only break it.  And it can be fixed.  Hence, no problem with loss of life.  And they never stray from their programming, so you dont need to worry about compassion or understanding of minors.  Perhaps that is what the teaching profession needs to be replaced with.  Robots.  Zero Tolerance.  Makes perfect sense.

Held to that standard, the secret service could be kicking down the doors Liberal doors 24/7

And I dare say a lot of other blogs as well.  But that is an excellent point.  Discretion.  It's not just for adults anymore.

I wonder where the ACLU is in all of this? If they don't get around to it I guess with Christmas coming up they have their hands full stemming all this unruly yuletide cheer.

The ACLU will not get involved.  It makes too much sense for their brand of idiocy.

I was thinking along these lines. My guess they may have been testing the teacher to see if this teacher would indeed keep this quiet. Or maybe taking advantage of the situation, not willing to put down their most intimate details of their daily life. Besides this was much more fun.

I had a teacher in 10th grade that never read my stuff.  She just slapped an A on all of it.  While my friend's work would always have read marks throughout it, and she would get an A- (she once got an A+ tho).  It got to the point,that I would just write crap cause I knew I was going to get an A.  And I did. I even wrote a short story about killing, with the main character taking out some gang members (It was written in first person, but the character was Sherman, not Guy).  And I never spent a day in detention or lost a day to suspension.

but look at the majority of kids who become school shooters. Most were,it seems, outsiders. They were loners with personal problems who were bullied and abused by cliques of one sort or another.

As parents, we try to protect our children.  We dont intentionally place them in harms way.  Yet we cannot and shjould not insulate them from everything that could possibly happen to them.  If you want that, put them in a rubber room and stick a feeding tube in them!

It's a long story, and I wrote a blog about it if you'd like a fairly concise re-telling. I'll try to summarize it briefly here:

BUT (As Trudy says, the big but) - He never wrote about it.  He did it. And that is a big difference as well.

Eventually, after a couple of omre 9/11s and McDonald's shooting sprees, this draconian standard will be used on adults, and these precedents will help it along.

And many that are clamoring for ZT will be wondering how they lost all of their civil liberties as well.

while i personally feel 'zero tolerance' represents the most blatant idiocy of the reaganite perspective (and one of several valid indications bill bennett took that whole czar thing so seriously, he should treated to a long vacation in siberia), i wonder if yall would feel differently if these two morons had described an excruciatingly graphic step-by-step plan to sexually molest the teacher. or the teacher's 4-year-old daughter. or both.

First, you are off base on ZT.  It came after Columbine, and that was long after Reagan and Bennett.  And it is and was a knee jerk and still is.  If this was a reagan thing like you claim, why is it only now that such stupid stories are surfacing?

Here the teacher may have an option of doing what most teachers can do -- talk to the kid as teacher AND counselor.

A radical concept no longer practiced in this day and age.