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A Promise is a Promise
Published on December 2, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

2 students in Orange Co. California are facing expulsion for taking a teacher at her word.  The teacher assigned a project where the students were to keep a journal with the understanding that no one would read it   (except her for grading).  Instead the teacher read somethings and decided to let others read them as well.  And the students were suspended and are awaiting an expulsion hearing.

Why?  Well, in their journals, they talked about torturing and killing a teacher.  From the little snippets that the article revealed, it appears that they were just being stupid adolescents, and trying to one up each other on what they thought was a funny scenario.  All with the expectation of the journal not being read per the promise of the teacher.  But she broke her promise.

And in the zero tolerance of the post Columbine mentality of schools, these students are being punished not for anything they did (or you could say for doing what hey were told, but I digress), but for believing the word of an adult.

In this stupidity that passes for education today, they ignatzes don't even realize the damage they have done, not only to these 2 students, but to their own reputations.  No longer can any student trust the word of a teacher.  All teachers are suspect, and should be regarded as only telling the truth, when it suits them, and not when it is the right thing to do.  And that is the lesson the teachers are not only teaching these 2 students, but the entire student body.  Wow!  What Nobel prize winning candidates!

When are these mental midgets going to learn that actions speak louder than words?  And when you leave reason at the school door, the only thing you are teaching the students is to never trust people in authority.  For they will always let you down?  It requires no intelligence to enforce a zero tolerance policy where a spork becomes an expulsion offense.  And the trust that the teachers are supposed to be trying to create with their student is gone. 

I am glad most of my children are out of school.  I pray that the remaining 2 will not be saddled with mental midgets in their last few years. But my grandchildren will have to spend a school career with a bunch of mind numbed robots that cant think for themselves and that my grandchildren can never trust for anything.  Not even legitimate school work.

It is a sad day in education, not because of 2 over hormonal jocks who may have to seek a new school, but for the millions of school children that just learned a valuable lesson.  Never trust a teacher.  Hire a lawyer and get them to sign an unbreakable contract.

The Legal professions stock just doubled, thanks to idiots in education.


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on Dec 05, 2005
" Fuck off, Baker...just fuck off."


No. During the whole "teacher as surrogate parent" discussion, you and your other half pretty much told those who opposed you that you were going to watch our children for "warning signs" of perceived problems and abuse whether we like it or not. That was "being a teacher", now it is being a "crap catcher".

Don't expect to bemoan the fact you have those extra responsibilities without getting called on it. Because of teachers as parental-overseers and the zero tolerance problem people are growing more and more fearful of, and dissatisfied with teachers. If you don't want to be a "crap catcher", then stop shoving it down our throats.
on Dec 05, 2005
Its not worth it. You're right.
on Dec 05, 2005

only if you believe history is static and effects suddenly spring into being without causes or in a vacuum.

history is static!  What a stupid statement!  And it was no Vacuum.  One word. Starts with C ends with E and has olumbin in the middle.

That is a vacuum?

on Dec 05, 2005
history is static! What a stupid statement


yup. the way things are today has nothing to do with the past. nothing that's happening now will affect what happens tomorrow.

what the hell was i thinking?
on Dec 05, 2005
zero tolerance was bad policy from the jump...it was already metastasizing and infecting the national psyche when the trenchcoat mafia was the training pants mafia.

but don't take my word for it. .Link

HISTORY, DEFINITION, AND PREVALENCE OF ZERO TOLERANCE

It is difficult to find a written definition of the term zero tolerance; certainly the use and meaning of the term have evolved over time. Yet from its inception in federal drug policy of the 1980’s, zero tolerance has been intended primarily as a method of sending a message that certain behaviors will not be tolerated, by punishing all offenses severely, no matter how minor.

Zero tolerance first received national attention as the title of a program developed in 1986 by U.S. Attorney Peter Nunez in San Diego, impounding seagoing vessels carrying any amount of drugs. U.S. Attorney General Edwin Meese highlighted the program as a national model in 1988, and ordered customs officials to seize the vehicles and property of anyone crossing the border with even trace amounts of drugs, and charge those individuals in federal court.

The language of zero tolerance seemed to fire the public imagination and within months began to be applied to a broad range of issues, ranging from environmental pollution and trespassing to skateboarding, homelessness, and boom boxes.

Frightened by a seemingly overwhelming tide of violence, educators in the early 1990’s were eager for a no-nonsense response to drugs, gangs, and weapons.

Beginning in 1989, school districts in California, New York, and Kentucky mandated expulsion for drugs, fighting, and gang-related activity. By 1993, zero tolerance policies had been adopted across the country, often broadened to include not only drugs and weapons, but also smoking and school disruption.
on Dec 06, 2005
yup. the way things are today has nothing to do with the past. nothing that's happening now will affect what happens tomorrow.

what the hell was i thinking?


No one, including you, said we could not learn from history! But history is the past, and unchanging! It is Static! Period. You want to learn the lessons of history, fine, learn. But dont be so dumb as to think that history is changing. The present is changing, the future ours to mold. The past is set and cannot be changed.
on Dec 06, 2005
Yet from its inception in federal drug policy of the 1980’s, zero tolerance has been intended primarily as a method of sending a message that certain behaviors will not be tolerated, by punishing all offenses severely, no matter how minor.


And that is the falacy of your arguement. You are arguing that since Eve sinned, we all must sin, it is inevitable. No. You can take a good idea to an extreme. And it has been. just say no to drugs, has turned into ZT, but not due to Bennett. That is where you erred. Now if you want to trace the roots of the idiocy of ZT, try Mickey Moron. Bowling for Columbine anyone?

he is actually more responsible than Bennett.
on Mar 31, 2006
Gee Dr. Guy, so the law shouldn't be followed? Goodness. A person is writing a threat to a teacher and you are worried about a right to privacy? Be well.
on Mar 31, 2006
Wow, someone resurrected this thread?! Welcome back, ZT.

Guy:
But history is the past, and unchanging!

Just the interpreters of history keep changing, especially with the whims of the age.

Sodaiho:
A person is writing a threat to a teacher and you are worried about a right to privacy?

Umm... no, Sodaiho... the privacy involved here is the student's assumption that what he wrote was going to be protected, like a lawyer/client or priest/confessioner privilege. The fact is the teacher was not empowered to offer confidentiality to students. The fact is that the student should not expect privacy when he is making unveiled, clear threats to the safety of others.

That is what we're worried about.
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