Why I support Gidoen MacLiesh

Creeping Incrementalism

Published on October 3, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

A large debate is raging across JU right now about Child Protective Services (CPS). Gideon is going to fight them, and I for one fully support him. Altho he is taking a risk that they will take his fight and get vindictive (always a fear with you are dealing with people trying to perform a 'good deed' with 'the best of intentions'), he feels it is necessary, and so do I. Why?

I will leave the reason to Martin Niemoller:

In Germany, they came first for the Communists, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist. Then they came for the Jews, and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew. Then they came for the Catholics, and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant. Then they came for me, and by that time no one was left to speak up.

Someone has to stand up to these 21st century Nazis. If we all just keep bending over and accepting their gestapo tactics, then we all lose.

Best of luck Gideon, to you and your family!

Comments (Page 1)

Gideon MacLeish

on Oct 03, 2005

Thanks, Dr. Guy. I appreciate your help in this fight. A large contingent has pretty much declared us guilty because I'm standing behind my rights.

I'm hoping you and others who support me on this fight will email the link to my blog to other freedom minded individuals. I can use the support right about now.

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

I'm hoping you and others who support me on this fight will email the link to my blog to other freedom minded individuals. I can use the support right about now.

Consider it done.

dharmagrl

on Oct 03, 2005

I support him. I don't think that ANYONE deserves to go through what he's going through. I simply think that he should remove any and all doubt about the validity of the allegations BEFORE he fights the legalities of the situation.

I would have told him that myself, but he's blacklisted me.

bakerstreet

on Oct 03, 2005

I support him as well in his belief, but his attitude that the magic word "unconstitutional" will somehow stop injustice is irrational. I don't think what CPS does is constitutional, and I think their very EXISTANCE voids our right to be judged by our peers and investigated by lawful representitives of the government.

That said, I wouldn't laugh at a mugger with a gun and tell him he can't shoot me because it is illegal. CPS does what they do, every single day. To thwart the power that they obviously have, even if they shouldn't have it, is irrational.

If someone showed up at your door with a bulldozer and said they are there to unlawfully knock down your house, would you make your kids lie in front of it with you to fight the injustice of the act? Neither would I. The CPS bulldozer runs over people all the time, and if ANYONE should know that it should be Gideon.

dharmagrl

on Oct 03, 2005

If someone showed up at your door with a bulldozer and said they are there to unlawfully knock down your house, would you make your kids lie in front of it with you to fight the injustice of the act? Neither would I. The CPS bulldozer runs over people all the time, and if ANYONE should know that it should be Gideon.

EXACTLY! I keep saying this....prove your innocence, THEN fight the consitiutionality of it.

Of course you know that your saying this means you have a 'clear contempt for the constitution', Baker.

Never mind, I do too.....

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

Why must he prove he is innocent? I thought the job of the government was to prove guilt, not our job to prove innocence.

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

That said, I wouldn't laugh at a mugger with a gun and tell him he can't shoot me because it is illegal.

The Government is supposed to be PROTECTING our rights. Muggers are trying to take them away. For you Baker, that was a bad analogy.

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

EXACTLY! I keep saying this....prove your innocence, THEN fight the consitiutionality of it.

If he does that, then he and we have already lost. If they can do it to him, what makes you think that you are not next? Did you even read Niemoller's quote?

foreverserenity

on Oct 03, 2005

I agree with him for standing firmly in what he believes in. It's a terrible situation and one I hope he and his family will come through unscath. But unscath is wishful thinking on my part! Good luck Gid!

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

It's a terrible situation and one I hope he and his family will come through unscath. But unscath is wishful thinking on my part!

May your wish become reality! I hope and pray.

dharmagrl

on Oct 03, 2005

If they can do it to him, what makes you think that you are not next? Did you even read Niemoller's quote?

Yes, I did, and it's already happened to me. I'm not talking about this as a total n00b, I've been around the block with CPS more than once. I'm talking from experience. Gid's run away from something like this once already, did you know that?

All I've hears about thus far is Gid and CPS. When and where will his kids factor in? Is this fight really about them....or is it political in nature?

bakerstreet

on Oct 03, 2005

"The Government is supposed to be PROTECTING our rights. Muggers are trying to take them away. For you Baker, that was a bad analogy.

Not considering YOUR OWN characterization of CPS, and the one we get from Gideon constantly. According to you:

"No, they get up in the morning and say "I am going to do good with good intentions, regardless of the cost"

In that light they are no different than a mugger who knows he is doing something wrong but feels justified because he needs the money. What you people seem to fail to see is that a moral victory here risks losses in the meantime that CAN'T be taken back. Any such "victory" is really a defeat in the end.

You might sue the mugger later, and he might go to jail, and they might even pass tougher legislation, but you're still mugged in the meantime. Maybe it is better to get through it unscathed, and fight for change when his gun isn't pointed at you.

Ziggystyles

on Oct 03, 2005

(It's MH again).

I guess I don't know that much about CPS. I've never had to deal with them, and honestly, I hope I never have to. I'm also not a parent.

I just think that people should have the right to raise their children as they see fit, as long as those children have their basic needs fulfilled. Are Gid's kids not being educated? No. Are they not being fed? No. Are they sleeping in cages? No. It's Gid's and Mrs. Gid's choice, you know? Different does not always equal BAD.

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

If you read it, then you know you have not been next. I have read all of it. Like him, I did as well. And as I said, I have regretted it ever since.

I accuse you of nothing other than what you have written. I respect you. But I am closing this thread as well. I will not blacklist anyone, but I think this has gone beyong opinions. Very far beyond them.

Dr Guy

on Oct 03, 2005

In that light they are no different than a mugger who knows he is doing something wrong but feels justified because he needs the money.

That is correct. But for different reasons. one is to satisfy himself. The other is to do good. The end result is the same. Dont tell me you are so blind that you cannot see that.

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