Kill as many as you need

We are the master race

Published on May 29, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Yes, so the argument goes. Some do not believe that a fetus (zygote/embryo) is a person. Some do not.

In the end, this is not about those difference. this is about LIFE.

Ok, so how many of you would sacrafice your child to prolong your life?

Show of hands please.

Ok, so how many of you would sacrafice my child's life to prolong your life?

Show of hands again.

So who wants my body?

That is what we are talking about. I will not debate whether you are right or I am. for to me, that is what you are asking. Take my life.

I would much prefer mine to an innocent childs.

Would not you?

Comments (Page 4)

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

Yes, I did. Extrapolate. You already know the answer. And, again, it's a specious argument

No you did not. So either answer it, or STFU.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

It's not an easy subject. I pray to God I'm never confronted with this dilemma one day.

No it is not an easy subject, and I pray you never have to choose. My point is some will have an abortion, and to them it will not be murder because they do not believe the fetus/zygote/embryo is a living human being. And I can respect those people. What I cannot respect are those who do believe it is a living human being, and still support it.

And I also am not here to convert anyone to my point of view. I was only asking that you respect mine, and if you do, then you will know that I can never support an abortion.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

If more effort is put into abstinence, protection, and etc... then abortion could be eliminated as an option...but thats wishful thinking considering the average human intellegence (no offense intended...to anyone)

I was going to disagree with you until your conditional, so I am in full agreement with you on that one.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

To me, the belief that life begins at conception has no religious connotations at all, so I do get annoyed when the opposing camp accuses me of trying to "shove my religion" down their throats.

Very true. While my belief stems from my religion, it is not based upon it. I went the route you did, and finally had to conclude that there is no magical date when life begins, and before that is nothing, except at the time of conception. For that is when the biggest change occurs. Eggs dont divide by themselves, they need the interaction of the sperm. And at that point, something wonderful occurs.

But that was not the purpose here. I meant not to convince anyone. I just want them to stop telling me I am stupid for not condoning the killing of innocents.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

Slippery slopes to me is more akin to dictating what color house is acceptable, what kind of education is acceptable, and what religion from which to dictate all of the above, at the government level. Those are slippery slopes.

All of which you yourself advocate with your blind obedience to a failed philosophy. You cannot tolerate dissent and must attack it and belittle it at every opportunity since you cannot argue against it. Pathetic.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

It is clear that Dabe is ignorant of the way Congress and Vetos work. It will not be over ridden. Kerry has a better chance of being the next president than this congress has of over riding Bush's veto.

drmiler

on May 31, 2005

Well, if that happens, it happens. That's why our government is set up like it is, with various checks and balances so that no single entity has all the power. You would do well to remember this, dabe, when you blame all the world's ills on a single individual named George W Bush.

It is clear that Dabe is ignorant of the way Congress and Vetos work. It will not be over ridden. Kerry has a better chance of being the next president than this congress has of over riding Bush's veto.

Sorry DG but this time dabe might know what she's talking about. It "entirely" possible that his veto could be overridden.

Presidential Action -- Approval or Veto
The President, under the Constitution, has 10 days (Sundays excepted) after the bill has been presented to him in which to act upon it. If the subject matter of the bill is within the jurisdiction of a department of the Government, or affects its interests in any way, he may in the meantime, at his discretion, refer the bill to the head of that department for investigation and a report thereon. The report of such official may serve as an aid to the President in reaching a decision about whether or not to approve the bill. If the President does approve it, he signs the bill, giving the date, and transmits this information by messenger to the Senate or the House, as the case might be. In the case of revenue and tariff bills, the hour of approval is usually indicated. The enrolled bill is delivered to the Archivist of the United States, who designates it as a public or private law, depending upon its purpose, and gives it a number. Public and private laws are numbered separately and serially. An official copy is sent to Government Printing Office to be used in making the so-called slip law print.

In the event the President does not desire to approve a bill, but is unwilling to veto it, he may, by not returning it within the 10-day period after it is presented to him, permit it to become a law without his approval. The Archivist makes an endorsement on the bill that, having been presented to the President of the United States for his approval and not having been returned to the House of Congress in which it originated within the time prescribed by the Constitution, it has become a law without his approval.

Where the 10-day period extends beyond the date of the final adjournment of Congress, the President may, within that time approve and sign the bill, which thereby becomes a law. If, however, in such a case, the President does not approve and sign the bill before the expiration of the ten-day period, it fails to become a law. This is what is known as a pocket veto. The United States Court of Appeals, in the case of KENNEDY v. SAMPSON, 511 F.2d 430 (D.C. Cir., 1974), held that a Senate bill could not be pocket-vetoed by the President during an "intrasession" adjournment of Congress to a day certain for more than three days, where the Secretary of the Senate had been authorized to receive Presidential messages during such adjournment. In the case of BARNES v. KLINE, 759 F.2d 51 (D.C. Cir., 1985), the Court held the same with regard to an intersession adjournment.

If the President does not favor a bill and vetoes it, he returns it to the House of origin without his approval, together with his objections thereto (referred to as the "veto message"). It should be noted that after the final adjournment of the 94th Congress, 1st session, the President returned two bills, giving Congress the opportunity to reconsider and "override" the vetoes.

The constitutional provision for reconsideration by the Senate is met, under the precedents, by the reading of the veto message, spreading it on the Journal, and adopting a motion (1) to act on it immediately, (2) to refer it, with the accompanying papers, to a standing committee: (3) to order that it lie on the table, to be subsequently considered, or (4) to order its consideration postponed to a definite day. The House's procedures are much the same.

If, upon reconsideration by either House, the House of origin acting first, the bill does not receive a two-thirds vote, the President's veto is sustained and the bill fails to become a law.

If a bill which has been vetoed is passed upon reconsideration by the first House by the required two-thirds vote, an endorsement to this effect is made on the back of the bill, and it is then transmitted, together with the accompanying message, to the second House for its action thereon. If likewise reconsidered and passed by that body, a similar endorsement is made thereon. The bill, which has thereby been enacted into law, is not again presented to the President, but is delivered to the Administrator of the General Services Administration for deposit in the Archives, and is printed, together with the attestations of the Secretary of the Senate and the Clerk of the House of its passage over the President's veto.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

Sorry DG but this time dabe might know what she's talking about. It "entirely" possible that his veto could be overridden.

No, it stil takes 2/3 of both chambers. They may be able to get 67 senators, but they are not going to get the 280 reps.

drmiler

on May 31, 2005

Sorry DG but this time dabe might know what she's talking about. It "entirely" possible that his veto could be overridden.

No, it stil takes 2/3 of both chambers. They may be able to get 67 senators, but they are not going to get the 280 reps.

Sorry guy but you don't know that for a fact. That is unless you paseed mind reading 201.

So unless your privy to some insiders knowledge it "is" possible for his veto to be overridden. This is NOT to say that I think it should be. Just that it might be.

Dr Guy

on May 31, 2005

Sorry guy but you don't know that for a fact. That is unless you paseed mind reading 201. So unless your privy to some insiders knowledge it "is" possible for his veto to be overridden. This is NOT to say that I think it should be. Just that it might be.

The bill passed by only 238 to something. Far short of the 2/3 needed. One does not have to be Karnac to see it will not be over ridden.

ANYTHING is posssible, but somethings are so remotely possible, as to be safely improbable.

dharmagrl

on May 31, 2005

I was not upset with you, but with people who kno no civil discourse, just who like to crap on other's blogs.

It's all good.....and I didn't mean any disrespect, I honestly wanted to know your opinion.

Crashdude220

on May 31, 2005

Bottom line of this ENTIRE discussion:

A: The fetus does not YET have the ability to have feelings and does NOT think yet
B: If the fetus is aborted already, why not use it?
C: Yes, I do not agree with abortion as birth control, but under extreme circumstances...yea

I Will Sum Up This Entire Discussion in three sentences:

The use of already aborted fetuses to sustain living humans is morally correct, in the aspect of sustaining humans
Abortion under extreme circumstances is OK
USE THE UMBILICAL CORD, IT HAS STEM CELLS DONT THROW IT OUT!!!

There you go....theres something for everyone there, liberals:check, right wing people:check all others:I hope so

There ya go my opinion should solve this key word SHOULD

Later

Crashdude220

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Rightwinger

on Jun 01, 2005

Your comparing apples and oranges there D. Why the death penalty? Because the person in question did something so horrific that a jury deemed that he/she should die in reparation for the crime. What crime did the unborn commit?

--drmiler

(Stands and applauds) HEAR HEAR! Well said, old man!

Same to Dr. Guy; excellent article.

Tex; I'm sure God doesn't like the idea of His work being kept on ice, but at least it is still there for later use. There is a Commandment that says "Thou Shalt Not Kill". There is none that says "Thou Shalt Not Freeze Embryos." A silly point, perhaps, but you get my drift. At least the embryos are still alive and can be used.
The benefits of stem cell research and its application are many, and I support it. I just don't like where they get the cells. I would support the cloning of those cells, however, if they could perfect the practice.

Crashdude220

on Jun 01, 2005

Well, its all relative litte_whip....i get the general idea and i still say wether fetus or embryo... use of stem cells is ok (in the embryo case by the parents consent)and fetuses, just use the umbicial cord dont kill the fetus!!! As for my comment about abortion as birth control... EXTREME CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS RAPE, how would you like looking into the face of a child who reminded you of the man who raped you???

Crashdude220

www.thepoliticalmachine.cjb.net

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on Jun 01, 2005

Then give them up for adoption....i mean i am sure some one else could love the child....

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