Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
Or just Crazy?
Published on January 7, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

Most of us have heard that they threw out the conviction of Andrea Yates, even tho she confessed to it.  While I really think she is as crazy as a loon, this is not about her.

Locally, Richmond VA has been consistently in the top 10 when it comes to murder rates, and 2004 will be no exception with 95 murders in a population of 200k.

The way local governments work in Va, Counties are completely independant of Cities.  And the surrounding counties, while being half again as large people wise, usually have a murder rate commensuate with other urban countines, not a murder capitol.

So it came as somewhat of a shock that the first murder of the year occurred in one of the counties. But that is not the half of it.

The Victim was a 4 year old boy, and the perps?  His mother and boy fiend! (not a typo).  They were 'disciplining' him!  My GOD how bad can a 4 year old be to beat him to death!  This was not the work of some fruitcake like Andrea yates, this was just pure evil!  Bullies taking their impotence out on a poor child!

It makes me sick.  I am against the death penalty, but this case makes me want to be judge jury AND executioner!  I have 4 children, and while I do beleive in spanking, never more than that!  ANd never more than smacks on the butt!  Beating a small child like that is the purest form of evil!  ANd even thos I know these people are crazy, that is no excuse this time!

I really doubt they will get the chair, as it will be very hard for the state to prove pre-meditation.  SO they will hopefully rot in prison fore the rest of their lives!

And the ps to this sad tale?  The boy had a 3 year old sister that was beaten almost to death.  SHe is now in the hospital and will undoubtably be placed in the foster care system.  Not for anything she did, but due to an accident of birth.

It is sickening!


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on Jan 07, 2005
Here is where we part ways my friend,,, I do believe in the death sentance.... anbd in many cases this is well deserved,

Child killers, rapist,,, killers in general should be put to death..

The one time crime of passion killers should not ...

Any parent that kills there child by beating them to death should be drawn and quartered slowly.
on Jan 07, 2005

Any parent that kills there child by beating them to death should be drawn and quartered slowly.

Right now, hearing the story unfold, I am very tempted to say yes!  My Heart wants to, but I know in my head it is wrong.

Dont get the wrong, I think that there are crimes that make ones blood boil and I do see red.  But I beleive that it is no man's right to take the life of another, even when richly deserved (this does not apply to self defense and war of course).

on Jan 07, 2005
To me, there is no reason to try to seperate this crime from any other Involuntary manslauter. The two oxygen thieves in question may not have intended to kill this child, but he did die as a result of their actions.

Their excuse was that they were just "disciplining" him doesn't change the fact that they killed him. All they are trying to do with this excuse is try to appeal to other parents, hoping we all can identify with how frustrating it can be when a child is unruly.

Like you, I have nothing against spanking a young child, much like how you describe here. However, what these wastes of human flesh are hoping to blurr any line between a few quick swats on the behind and a beating, severe enough to cause harm or even kill.

Let's hope their excuses fall on deaf ears.
on Jan 07, 2005
I breathe a sigh of relief knowing I will never be compelled to sit on a jury for a case like this. My feelings on the appropriate punishment go far past the realm of legality.
on Jan 07, 2005
Reply By: ParaTed2kPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005To me, there is no reason to try to seperate this crime from any other Involuntary manslauter. The two oxygen thieves in question may not have intended to kill this child, but he did die as a result of their actions.Their excuse was that they were just "disciplining" him doesn't change the fact that they killed him. All they are trying to do with this excuse is try to appeal to other parents, hoping we all can identify with how frustrating it can be when a child is unruly.Like you, I have nothing against spanking a young child, much like how you describe here. However, what these wastes of human flesh are hoping to blurr any line between a few quick swats on the behind and a beating, severe enough to cause harm or even kill.Let's hope their excuses fall on deaf ears.


AMEN one can only hope they get a scott peterson like jury
on Jan 07, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Friday, January 07, 2005


But I beleive that it is no man's right to take the life of another,


yer a good man that stands strongly in therr convictions I applaud you/ even when I disagree with them
on Jan 07, 2005

To me, there is no reason to try to seperate this crime from any other Involuntary manslauter. The two oxygen thieves in question may not have intended to kill this child, but he did die as a result of their actions.

Their excuse was that they were just "disciplining" him doesn't change the fact that they killed him. All they are trying to do with this excuse is try to appeal to other parents, hoping we all can identify with how frustrating it can be when a child is unruly.

Ted, 2 things.  Oxygen thieves?  Never heard of it, but I like that!

Second, any parent knows when too much is too much.  That excuse may fly in California (maybe not after SP), but parents know when too much is too much.

on Jan 07, 2005

I breathe a sigh of relief knowing I will never be compelled to sit on a jury for a case like this. My feelings on the appropriate punishment go far past the realm of legality.

I agree with that.  Just he brutatily of the crime would prejudice me against them.  I could not listen to any more evidence than the coroner's report to convict them in a heartbeat.

on Jan 07, 2005
Any parent that kills there child by beating them to death should be drawn and quartered slowly.


I especially agree with that sentiment eventhough I can't imagine this women Yates being anything other than inflicted- 'sick' in the f**cking head.

However, even by the most conservative estimates, government (whether Federal or state) has a history of unintentionally putting innocent people to death. Even if it the government is only mistaken one percent of the time.... well that mistake can not be undone.

The republican governor of Massachusetts proposed reinstating the death penalty, but the standard of proof to execute would be raised from reasonable doubt standard to no doubt what-so-ever.
It's a tough call. I've changed my position and am now against it. It's not fail-safe and that's too high a price to pay. What can I say, I'm getting soft-hearted in my old age.
on Jan 07, 2005
Update.  The mother and boyfriend have been charged with 'Accidental' Death.  Accidental my Ass! Animals!
on Jan 07, 2005
These people are obviously not insane or crazy...they are evil!
on Jan 07, 2005
Did I not post a reply here? What happened to it?
on Jan 07, 2005
Update. The mother and boyfriend have been charged with 'Accidental' Death


My posting was....

Is that like almost pregnant?
Seriously though, I am opposed to the death penalty, but in cases like these society really has no other alternative.
on Jan 07, 2005

These people are obviously not insane or crazy...they are evil!

While I am passionate about politics, this just hurts me to the core and it is not politics.  It is humanity.  I know, and I agree.  I had to post it as it is so evil.  They showed a picture in the local paper of the little boy.  And that hurts even more.  A young life that is no more because of 2 lives that should never have been. 

on Jan 07, 2005

Did I not post a reply here? What happened to it?

Mano, I did not delete any.  Honest!  This is not an issue that any post is wrong, or even debateable (other than the death penalty and I would really not like to debate it here).

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