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No Right Answer
Published on March 17, 2011 By Dr Guy In Personal Computing

I have several browsers on my desktop.  I have XP at home (bought 3 years ago - BEFORE 7, and did not want Vista) so IE9 is not an option (work is Vista - I was right in my home purchase).  So I am using IE8 both at home and work.  When I use IE.  I have Firefox which is my browser of choice, Opera, Safari, and Chrome.

I know many will disagree with me, and that is fine, but my experiences show that no one is winning, just some are losing slower.

Opera is fine if all you want to do is read the news.  It is relatively fast, and clean.  for a quick hit, I like it, but seldom use it.

Safari is for Mac users.  Nothing wrong with the windows version - just not a lot right (like add ons and such).  It has not given me a reason to switch to it as a primary browser - or even secondary.  As such, I do not hate it, just do not use it.

Chrome is not fast.  I wonder if the FCC will nab them for false advertising.  Doubtful since it is free.  but the lack of speed has turned me off to it.  Like Opera, I use it on occasion, but it is not on the top of my browser list.

IE is fast launching.  It is also the browser of last resort (when the Stardock forums mess up, or a web page will not display correctly in other browsers, IE will work).  But it is not fast surfing.  And has one idiosyncrasy (actually 2) that I hate.

#1: when closing multiple tabs and windows, and saving them, relaunching IE brings them all up in one window.  Why? (Did 9 fix that?)

#2: More often than not, when closing said tabs, IE will "crash" and then open all the windows again - without asking.

#3 (well, I mis-counted) Windows does not recover from a non-shutdown crash with all tabs.

But on the good side, of my top 2 browsers, it is by far the most frugal with memory (I never thought I would say that!).  I had 2 windows and 12 tabs open the other day, and it was using only 100mb of memory (ONLY!!!!!  God we have come far).

Firefox is my browser of first choice.  I like the thousands of Add Ons I can choose to add (or not), the ease at which I can enable or disable them, and the fast browsing.  But it is not perfect.

#1: It is slow to launch - especially if there is an update.  But even without an update, it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

#2: it is a memory HOG!  Same day, I also had Firefox up with 6 tabs open, one window.  It was pegging 500mb!  I frequently have to crash the browser as once it gets over 500mb (one system has 2gb the other has 4gb of memory so it does not appear to matter how much total memory there is), it dogs it.  But the crashing leads to the reason it is my main browser - namely:

#1: When you shut it down, and then relaunch, it does not open the Home pages PLUS the saved tabs (IE does thatt - and I have 3 home pages so it really clutters things up).

#2: When you crash it (or it does it to itself - it does not crash often), it will open the previous tabs in their respective windows - not all in one.  Often when IE crashes, your tabs are gone.

#3 - and the biggest reason I prefer it - it is not IE!  In that I mean you avoid the bugs that the script kiddies and malware authors love to exploit in IE (should Firefox become #1, I am sure they will target it and I will probably change my main browser).

But that brings up another thing that is not good about Firefox (version 3.x.x).  It does not allow you to "save" tabs when you have multiple windows open until you close the last one.  Unless you crash it.

Still, with all its faults (well not so many, just aggravating), Firefox is my browser of choice. 

Now before someone gets to calling me stupid for missing something obvious on a setting, I will admit that while I have poked around in the options, I am not an expert at them.  So if you know a setting that can ease my gripes about either IE or Firefox, I will be happy to hear them!  Or if you want to tout the wonders of another browser, tell me why it is your favorite.  I am not a browser snob.  I just want a tool that I do not have to crash periodically (Firefox) - or that crashes on me (IE).


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on Mar 17, 2011

About saving tabs in Firefox. Whenever I have multiple tabs open and go to close the browser a dialogue box opens and asks me if I want to save the open tabs or quit. I click save and then vlose it. When I open it again all the tabs are there. Never had a problem with any version as far as that is concerned. As for previous versions ... yeah. Version 11, 12 and 13 were quite buggy RE my issues with the add-ons. Now that I use the latest, no add-ons, it works nicely. IE9 ... it sucks. I have Opera and it is quick. Loads about five to ten seconds faster than Firefox which loads pretty fast. The only thing I don't like about it is that I keep forgetting you can't upload anything with it so I wind up switching to FF to upload. I don't know of any add-ons for Opera that do that. As for the others. No Chrome or Safari. Never tried Pale Moon.

on Mar 17, 2011
My girlfriend swears by Opera, it is great if you want to manage your email and feeds all in one place. I used Opera until Chrome came out. Chrome seems to do well with everything except Stardock's forums. I also use Flock - essentially a Chrome mod - because I like the sidebar for my twitter feeds.
on Mar 17, 2011

Switched from ff to opera that speed dial is the best since sliced cheese,not sure why they hid the option to increase it's standard 9 sites to whatever you want very poor on their part,at least there's info on how to do it,speed wise it's quick,don't recall any crashes only bug bear is it's rendering occasionally wincustom website only has text the rest won't load,i assume it's the cache meh! it's been ok for the past two weeks,it certainly seems lighter than ff then again it might just be in my head

 

That speed dial should be in IE mind you it's a dog of a browser every linked page practically needs to load before you can execute another linked tab 

on Mar 18, 2011

If I go to close one of the windows it does not give me the option of saving the tabs (IE does).

Right Click on the tab then Bookmark this Tab?

is this what you want?

 

it will take about 5 minutes where IE takes about 1.

I would say turn off your add-on's one or more is doing it then turn them on one by one to see when FF loads slow.,.

or

uninstall FF and re-install it if you do remember to back up your Bookmarks first..

cause my FF opens (Loads) up in less then 30 seconds  and it's Not hogging memory 

 

I tried Chome it's ok but wont use it because you can't use Robo form with it  well you can but you have to save you info to I think Robo's web site

and I am NOT saving my Passwords to a site when chrome fix this I would use it as a 2nd Browser FF will be 1 and is....

I can open 30 plus tabs in FF without taking a hit on speed (no not the drug speed) IE open 4 tabs no it freezes on me oh and that's with Videos loading in FF

never heard of pale moon will check it out

as for Opera, Safari tried them a few years ago Just did not like them

 

on Mar 18, 2011

DC, Pale Moon in firefox specially designed for windows OS. Runs even faster.

on Mar 18, 2011

DC, Pale Moon in firefox specially designed for windows OS. Runs even faster.

Doc do you know if it has a Plug-in for Robo Form ? 

I use ridiculously Long passwords with both Aa 19 #@ and NO words I MAKE it VERY hard for those A- holes to Crack my PW's 

still will give it a go just want to know?

 

Thanks

on Mar 18, 2011

Ok, you all got me curious about Firefox and Pale Moon, so I've given them a spin.  I imagine I'll be uninstalling Firefox, Pale Moon is visibly faster on this box and I don't see any reason to have them both.  I think Opera is still quicker though.

I think in general I like Opera a little better.  It has a couple of features I really like that I don't see in Pale Moon (although they could be covered with some plugin somewhere).  I like Opera's setting to delete all cookies upon exit except from sites I specify, and I like Opera letting me throw the tabs down the side instead of just across the top - I got fond of that arrangement really quickly.  I do run into Opera's compatibility issues on some favorite sites though.

Gads I hope I don't end up running 3 browsers (IE, Pale Moon, and Opera).  I'll need an app to keep the bookmarks sync'd up.

on Mar 18, 2011

Have you tried LastPass for passwords?  It is free and works on all browsers AFAIK.  It also only uses a data "blob" of your username and password (hashed I think) so they can't even be forced to give up your details.  There was a tech review of LastPass by someone or other, and basically they couldn't find anything wrong with it.  It apparently works on all browsers and devices, has a free multifactor authentication (essentially a battleship grid) and you can save a local copy of your master password and all the passwords contained within, just in the unlikely case that the LastPass service closes down suddenly.  It can even import from tons of other password management programs (with their password of course), including RoboForm.  Give it a try, it's great.

Best regards,
Steven.

on Mar 18, 2011

Tried last pass and somehow it interferes with the comments in both Opera and Firefox. In use Opera as secondary browser. The only thing I don't like is that it has no support for Imageshack.

on Mar 18, 2011

Oh, I haven't been using WinCustomize, so I didn't know.  So you say LastPass has no support for ImageShack?

Best regards,
Steven.

on Mar 18, 2011

DisturbedComputer

DC, Pale Moon in firefox specially designed for windows OS. Runs even faster.
Doc do you know if it has a Plug-in for Robo Form ? 

I use ridiculously Long passwords with both Aa 19 #@ and NO words I MAKE it VERY hard for those A- holes to Crack my PW's 

still will give it a go just want to know?

 

Thanks
yes same as fire fox I USE FIRE FOX  EX $ PLUG INS 

OPERA 11  too and  IE 9 on standby for those wed pages that use it only. you done it again doc.

on Mar 18, 2011

DisturbedComputer
DC, Pale Moon in firefox specially designed for windows OS. Runs even faster.

Doc do you know if it has a Plug-in for Robo Form ? 

I use ridiculously Long passwords with both Aa 19 #@ and NO words I MAKE it VERY hard for those A- holes to Crack my PW's 

still will give it a go just want to know?

 

Thanks

Prob w/roboform, DC  http://www.palemoon.org/troubleshooting.shtml 

on Mar 18, 2011

About saving tabs in Firefox. Whenever I have multiple tabs open and go to close the browser a dialogue box opens and asks me if I want to save the open tabs or quit. I click save and then vlose it. When I open it again all the tabs are there. Never had a problem with any version as far as that is concerned.

My problem is when I have multiple Firefox Windows open.  The only way to get FF to remember all the tabs in all the windows is to kill the process.

Opera and it is quick. Loads about five to ten seconds faster than Firefox which loads pretty fast. The only thing I don't like about it is that I keep forgetting you can't upload anything with it so I wind up switching to FF to upload. I don't know of any add-ons for Opera that do that. As for the others. No Chrome or Safari. Never tried Pale Moon.

Interesting about Opera!  I was not aware of that.  Uploads are not frequent, but if you think about it, attachments to webmail and such are a critical requirement.  I guess Opera may be best suited for just reading news sites.

on Mar 18, 2011

FutileEmotion
My girlfriend swears by Opera, it is great if you want to manage your email and feeds all in one place. I used Opera until Chrome came out. Chrome seems to do well with everything except Stardock's forums. I also use Flock - essentially a Chrome mod - because I like the sidebar for my twitter feeds.

Flock?  Pale Moon?  Seems I am getting a bunch of good suggestions!  Thanks, anther one to try!

on Mar 18, 2011

DisturbedComputer

Right Click on the tab then Bookmark this Tab?

is this what you want?

No.  When I am researching a problem, I will have one window open with the web interface to the devices, and another window open with the searched sites.  If I have to shut down for a reason (my computer has gotten slow and needs a high colonic), the only way I can recover all the tabs in all the windows in FF is to kill the process (there will be only one).  In that it is better than IE since when I start it back up, I get 2 windows with the respective tabs.  IE however gives me one window with all the tabs (and 3 or more processes - what gives with that???)


DisturbedComputer

I would say turn off your add-on's one or more is doing it then turn them on one by one to see when FF loads slow.,.

or

uninstall FF and re-install it if you do remember to back up your Bookmarks first..

I will try the latter.  I keep most of my addons disabled until I need to use them.

DisturbedComputer

I can open 30 plus tabs in FF without taking a hit on speed (no not the drug speed) IE open 4 tabs no it freezes on me oh and that's with Videos loading in FF

I have noticed that as well.  I get a bit more than 4 tabs in IE, but yea, FF does not care on the tabs, IE sure does.

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