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Or why Liberals never do
Published on April 29, 2010 By Dr Guy In Politics

Arizona is in the news of late.  The passed what amounts to an enforcement law of a federal law - i.e. they passed a law stating they will enforce a federal law.

The law was very carefully written in expectations of being challenged on constitutional grounds.  And of course every liberal from Obama down to Gavin Newsome has both decried the law, and threatened (if standing permitted) to take it to court.  But even liberal constitutional scholars are doubting any will succeed given the law is an enforcement of a federal law.

So, taking another tact, many liberals have called for boycotts of Arizona (some idiots are even trying to boycott Arizona Tea - a soft drink made in New York).  That is their right, and more power to them.  But those self same outraged liberals just cant seem to bring themselves to do anything but jawbone their outrage.

Their feigned indignity is stripped bare by their unwillingness to help those they cry are being hurt by the new law.  San Francisco, a "Sanctuary" city, has done and refuses to do anything for these poor down trodden criminals!  They claim they will give them sanctuary, but then shy away from actually doing anything concrete.  For like most liberals, they love to yell about perceived injustices, but refuse to put up their money to rectify the injustices.

I am sure SF will not allow any of its government staff to plan conventions in Arizona.  You know about conventions, right?  Those are the things liberals condemn when business does, while doing so from their own conventions that are merely non-taxed perks of leeching off the public dole.  So Arizona may lose a few bucks from the fat cats of SF.  But I do not think they will see much of an impact (government conventions are notorious for destructive behaviour and lousy tipping).

So we have just another example of liberals having big mouths, tight wads, and no guts.  Lots of talk, but no walks.


Comments (Page 1)
on Apr 29, 2010

I don't know why anybody in politics gives a crap about illegals. They can't vote and don't pay taxes.

My only question to someone who opposes this is...

Why?

None of the illegals have the constitutional right to any protections. If you are worried about the poor unfortunate soul who is detained for a while because he can't produce some form of identification, what gives? I walk out of the house with my wallet in my pocket, always. It is not a problem for me to show that I belong here.

Don't assume that I'm some sort of racist (I know you know better Doc). I am for US citizenship. If you are doing the right thing if it's becoming a citizen or here on a work visa, I think that is great. Come in and enjoy all that this land has to offer. If not, I don't want you here.

 

on Apr 30, 2010

Don't assume that I'm some sort of racist (I know you know better Doc). I am for US citizenship. If you are doing the right thing if it's becoming a citizen or here on a work visa, I think that is great. Come in and enjoy all that this land has to offer. If not, I don't want you here.

I heard a comment the other day that made me smirk.  It seems that when someone claims that all illegals are hispanic (a falsehood) for the purpose of strengthening the border, they are called racists.  When a person calls all illegals hispanic for the purpose of the Arizona law, they are called enlightened.

Which is just more political speak for the reality that the race baiters of San Francisco and elsewhere are really just closet racists.

on Apr 30, 2010

hi just john,

If you are worried about the poor unfortunate soul who is detained for a while because he can't produce some form of identification, what gives? I walk out of the house with my wallet in my pocket, always. It is not a problem for me to show that I belong here.

Have you ever watched any World War 2 movies? Aren't you familiar with the infamous line?

"let me see your papers!"

If you must live in a society in which you, as a regular citizen are required to provide documentation on demand, 24/7, that you are not one of "them" then the society of which are a part is not worth living in to begin with.

Today, it is illegal immigrants. Tomorrow, it can be turned into anything those in power decide. Anti-war peaceniks, "tax-evaders", "domestic terrorists" and so forth. Methinks the secessionist movement in several states may be gaining a lot more steam than some would suspect!

 

on May 01, 2010

Have you ever watched any World War 2 movies? Aren't you familiar with the infamous line?

"let me see your papers!"

Arty sounds like you HAVE been watching too many WWII movies. That or the opposition's talking points. Read the law, it only re-enforces the Federal law which is already in place (and ignored by the law breakers).

I don't like getting searched at the airport either, I'm not a terrorist. But I realize it is for my and other travelers safety. If there were not terrorists we wouldn't have to go through this. Well same for identification, if everyone respected US immigration law, this wouldn't be an issue. It seems the minority of people always ruin it for the majority doesn't it?

Why stop there? Why should I have to show ID if I'm pulled over on a traffic violation? Why should I have to show ID when I show the the bank teller your account number? You're right, no more ID's, what a great idea. That Walmart cashier that asks for ID when I use a credit card is just being a Nazi.

on May 01, 2010

[quote who="Artysim" reply="3" id="2608462"]Have you ever watched any World War 2 movies? Aren't you familiar with the infamous line?

"let me see your papers!"[quote]

Oh I so wanted someone to quote this!  And while we share the same trepidation, I fear you are uninformed!

Obama has already done this!  With the abortion of Health Care (which is neither).

And the law?  Check it out.  The links are posted.  It specifically says you cannot be a Nazi about it.  But Obamacare?  it is required.  I know you love him, but in this case, you just trashed him (and done well).

Illegal immigrants are no more required to produce anything than any other person.  Why?  You cannot tell them apart.  WHich is America.  But when in a situation that requires documentation (all too frequently these days), they can run the documentation through the computer to see if it is legit.  And the $150 documenation you pick up on the street corner?  You will probably get busted for it.

Look at it this way.  You see a credit card?  can you tell it is forged?  I cannot looking at it.  But run it through a reader and you probably can.

say hello to the reader.

on May 01, 2010

That or the opposition's talking points. Read the law, it only re-enforces the Federal law which is already in place (and ignored by the law breakers).

Exactly!  Everyone who has voiced opposition to this law, has not read it and does not have a clue about it.

Would it surpise Arty to know that while mexico condemns it, their law is far more authoratarian and restrictive than the AZ law?

I bet it will.

on May 02, 2010

Isn't the typical Liberal way to demand other people's money to fund their ideas?

 

 

 

 

 

 

on May 02, 2010

If you must live in a society in which you, as a regular citizen are required to provide documentation on demand, 24/7, that you are not one of "them" then the society of which are a part is not worth living in to begin with.

I would agree with you, if that were true about Arizona or the US.  You are at risk of being required to provide documentation in all societies, Arty, to a far greater degree outside the US than in it.  It's a bit disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

And the Nazi analogy quickly breaks down when one recalls that there was 1) a small declared war on, and 2) those Nazis were mostly looking for Jewish citizens.

on May 03, 2010

MasonM
Isn't the typical Liberal way to demand other people's money to fund their ideas?

Yes, but then governments do not use their money (they have none), they always use OPM.  And if you are going to elect a loony liberal one that puts the rights of non-citizens ahead of yours, they should step up and put their citizens money where their mouth is.

 

on May 03, 2010

And the Nazi analogy quickly breaks down when one recalls that there was 1) a small declared war on, and 2) those Nazis were mostly looking for Jewish citizens.

Actually, a better example would be the old Soviet Union, or even the eastern block.  How soon we forget Checkpoint Charlie.

on May 03, 2010

Actually, a better example would be the old Soviet Union, or even the eastern block. How soon we forget Checkpoint Charlie.

Problem there is that the political system of the USSR is to be admired.  It's what the left is striving for here, after all.

on May 03, 2010

Problem there is that the political system of the USSR is to be admired.  It's what the left is striving for here, after all.

And that is where anyone can yell hypocrites to them.  The MSM never will, but then you do not see any of them defending the lies around here.

on May 03, 2010

Have you ever watched any World War 2 movies? Aren't you familiar with the infamous line?

"let me see your papers!"

If you must live in a society in which you, as a regular citizen are required to provide documentation on demand, 24/7, that you are not one of "them" then the society of which are a part is not worth living in to begin with.

That's an interesting point of view, but when was the last time you were stopped by a police officer? Don't they always ask for identification? And I don't mean only when driving. Does a company you apply for not ask for identification? Identification is ask for many things and these things can be denied if an identification can not be provided at the time. But let's be realistic here, you are not concerned with the whole "let me see your papers" issue, you are actually concerned with particular people being asked. In the end, this is nothing but a racial issue and another way to pin racism on Republicans and that is the reality.

I am Hispanic and even I believe something needs to be done. Policies need to be updates, reform is necessary. And I also believe crime should not be rewarded so making these illegals legal is not the way to go in my opinion. A crime is a crime and punishment should be applied when necessary. I'm sure the average person protesting this law would not hesitate to agree with it if a family member was somehow hurt by an illegal (physically or financially).

We should not ignore the crime when we can not even prove the true reason why they came here in the first place.

on May 03, 2010

And that is where anyone can yell hypocrites to them. The MSM never will, but then you do not see any of them defending the lies around here.

Yup.  They never say such policies (as they perceive them, that is, just to be clear) are Stalinesque.  Which would be true if the policies were as they perceive them.

on May 03, 2010

Is this a racist law because AZ is so close to the Mexican border? I have read it and it doesn't say anything about picking on 'brown people' or any of the other derogatory terms the MSM has applied to them.

It says that if you are arrested or detained and there is a question of your immigration status, it can be verified. It says specifically that you can't be stopped solely on the basis of immigration status.

All of the opposition is running around acting like this is something new. I'd be willing to bet that I could pass around any of your cars and find a violation worthy of pulling you over. Leaning up against the wall at the corner store???? Loitering. Hopping in the back of someone’s truck ... yep that's a crime too. So what's the difference?

Now they are spelling it out. We are going to question your immigration status if we think it is in question. We will send you back where you came from. 10.8 million people are in this country illegally. What is so wrong with requiring them to follow our laws to live here?