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Published on January 5, 2006 By Dr Guy In Current Events

Having married a wonderful lady who just happens to me Mexican has been an eye opener for me in many ways.  Having lived and grown up in California, it was not like I was a stranger to Latinos, indeed as we moved from Post to post, some of my best friends were Mexican.  And I learned to love the cuisine! 

As I grew up, I was also made aware, through government pronouncements, that they were a separate race, and I accepted that as a fact as most people do.  But as the only thing that mattered to me was if you were "in" or not, (in as in a Military brat), I cared nothing for the color of my friends skin, only whether they were jerks (they come in all colors) or good friends.

But now I am learning, sometimes the hard way, that my wife is NOT Hispanic.  She is American whose mother came from Mexico!  Therefore, as a stratification, one can call her Mexican (dont do it derogatorily), or American, but not Hispanic of Mexican-American!

Why is she not Hispanic?  Hispanic is not a race.  It never has been really.  What the government so glibly did was decide that everyone born south of the Rio Grande, and all of their ancestors, were a race called Hispanics.  Never mind that the Spanish and Portuguese people were lumped into that pot, even tho they are some of the fairest skinned people in Europe!  Never mind that what the government is calling Hispanic is actually a mixture of 3 races - Caucasians, American (not plains) Indians, and blacks. 

But you see the Spaniards and Portuguese settlers of the new world did something different from the English Settlers.  They settled and intermarried with the native populations, after being quite mean to them (no worse than what the English did).  And in so doing, they "mixed" the races.  But that does not change the fact that they did not create a new race!  Did someone from the government recently decide that the offspring of Blacks and Caucasians was a new race?  Now wouldn't that be stupid?  But that is exactly what the pencil necks in DC did!  And in so doing, they are also stigmatizing a whole group of people, and indeed showing their own narrow minded bigotry in the process!

One of the stupidest things I have been witness to, and unfortunately I have seen it all too often, is to call in a Spanish speaking person to talk to a Brazilian!  While there are some similarities between Portuguese and Spanish, they are in no way the same language!  I use to work with a lady who was Mexican.  She married an American and came to work as our security officer.  Since she was fluent in Spanish (duh), the agency would call upon her to help whenever a Spanish speaking person came seeking assistance.  One day, a Gentleman from Brazil came, and they called her.  Needless to say, it was all Greek to her!

I think lumping everyone south of the border and from the Iberian peninsula as a distinct race is stupid and should be abolished.  Mexicans have no more in common with Colombians than we do!  Indeed, as I have found out (since I do most of the grocery shopping), Columbian Chorizo is not Mexican Chorizo, and El Salvadorian Tamales are not Mexican Tamales!  My wife likes to try different Mexican restaurants here in town, and we have found a favorite one.  But she had the misfortune of trying out one that advertised Mexican food, and it was not Mexican!  Upon questioning the waitress, it turns out the cook was from El Salvadore!  That would be like going to a Chinese restaurant and being served Thai food!  Both good, but hardly interchangeable.

So from now on, I am banning Hispanic from my vocabulary!  It is a racist stigma applied but a bunch of know nothing bureaucrats that dont know the difference between racism, and prejudice!  For apparently they suffer from the former.  My Wife is of Mexican ancestry.  And before that from Aztec and Spanish (and who knows what else) ancestry.  She is not Hispanic.

I would bet that most Mexicans, and indeed most central and south Americans already know that, which makes them much better informed than most Americans.


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on Jan 05, 2006
gteeeze does that mean I have to give up my self title of "turkish american from spanish blood that happens to be a JEW"?
on Jan 05, 2006
Tex -

As far the categorizing goes, he usually checks "white" on those things because he looks white and doesn't have a "Hispanic" surname. He's missed out on scholarships and things like that because his mom is Mexican and not his dad. Silly


What I find annoying is that no one would question your ancestry if one of your parents was black, no matter what your name is. To me its like denying a part of yourself and in a way cheating you of your heritage (and maybe a scholarship) when they want to stick you in a different category.

My maiden name was mexican but in my hometown in Ohio everyone thought that was an Italian name. In my hometown you were either German, Italian or other. Other wasn't what you wanted to be.
on Jan 06, 2006
I have actually described myself as American Mexican if that makes any sense--I was born here, but my roots are Mexican (and further down the line, Aztec and Spanish as well). I've honestly never had a problem with the term "Hispanic" (although I do know a few who do)...Like others have touched on, I consider it more in cultural terms than racial terms.

Like you, I do think it is pretty dumb to huddle every Spanish speaking person under the same umbrella...maybe we should all start checking off the "other"box and either get a bit more specific about our backgrounds, or simply write down "American."
on Jan 06, 2006

#5 by Locamama
Thursday, January 05, 2006
It is hard to be of a mixed race especially when you don't look that race at all but it's still a part of you.


Ain't that the truth! My father's mother was full blood Apache, and his father was 1/2 Cherokee. Do I look like it? No. I look like the Irish side of the family. But then, I have met some of my Apache relatives living on the reservation who have light colored hair and eyes too.

Stereotypes suck. I once marked an application as Native American and they tried to make me change it until I pulled out my card to prove it.
on Jan 06, 2006

He's missed out on scholarships and things like that because his mom is Mexican and not his dad. Silly.

I was thinking of a stronger word than silly, but you are correct.

on Jan 06, 2006

But then again, if you go back far enough, don't we all? ;~D


I agree with Cacto and Forever... Culture has a lot more to do with differences than race.

Very true on the ancestry!  And Culture does.  The problem that the guvmint tends to make for anyone from south of the border is that they come from the same 'Race' and culture.  And nothing could be further from the Truth.  The most European nation in the Americas is not the US.  It is Argentina, which also happens to belong to that polyglot of a grouping called Hispanic.  Altho you would probably find most Argentinians fairer complected than half the ones we call Americans.

on Jan 06, 2006

gteeeze does that mean I have to give up my self title of "turkish american from spanish blood that happens to be a JEW"?

I prefer the shorter term - American.

on Jan 06, 2006

What I find annoying is that no one would question your ancestry if one of your parents was black, no matter what your name is.

Very true!  And if only one parent was black, how does that make you more black than cauc?  This whole race issue is just plain stupid and idiotic.  The more we look into and tell our stories, the more insane it becomes!

on Jan 06, 2006

I have actually described myself as American Mexican if that makes any sense--I was born here, but my roots are Mexican (and further down the line, Aztec and Spanish as well). I've honestly never had a problem with the term "Hispanic" (although I do know a few who do)...Like others have touched on, I consider it more in cultural terms than racial terms.

Like you, I do think it is pretty dumb to huddle every Spanish speaking person under the same umbrella...maybe we should all start checking off the "other"box and either get a bit more specific about our backgrounds, or simply write down "American."

I dont have a problem in using Hispanic as a culture term.  I do have a problem using it as a Racial term.  For the reasons stated.

Given my varied background (I wrote an article on it back last spring I think), I always check the other.  And for the last 2 censuses, they have called me to clarify what "other" was.  I told them.  Human.  And would not give any more information than that.

on Jan 06, 2006

Stereotypes suck. I once marked an application as Native American and they tried to make me change it until I pulled out my card to prove it.

I hate pencil necks!  Way to go!

on Jan 06, 2006
i didn't realize hispanic was considered a separate race.

it is, instead, a means of categorizing a group connected by ancestry, national origin, culture and ethnicity. you don't have similar problems identifying the kennedys (for example) as being or anglo or gaelic origin do you? how about the proud nordic residents of minnesota, the dakotas and wisconsin?

nice bit of sound & fury tho.
on Jan 06, 2006
Let's see, going back to around 1075 my ancestry comes from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I guess I should be having tea and crumpets at 4 everyday! ;~D
on Jan 10, 2006
Let's see, going back to around 1075 my ancestry comes from England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales. I guess I should be having tea and crumpets at 4 everyday! ;~D


There goes your coffee break!
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