Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
Published on December 23, 2005 By Dr Guy In Home & Family

I have been reading Tova's articles, and they really move me!  Such a childhood, and to see what became of all that?  A wonderful person.

But recently, someone (I forget now, so please, I did tell you I was going to write on this, speak up) recently talked about a bad childhood where the parents stayed together.  At least for awhile.

My Childhood was nowhere near as bad as Tova7's  I had a loving, if angry mother.  And no father (faithful readers will remember that part).  My Parents divorced when I was 4.  He was an alchy, and altho a sister later re-established contact with him, he never changed.  he died 4 years ago.  So in all seriousness, I never really knew him.  I kind of regret that, but for a father to abandon his son is a hurt that is not easily healed, and one I will not make.

I do not regret the separation.  Indeed, I guess things (while hard) were for the best.  And then in my life, I entered into a one way relationship, that did begat 4 children, but never had love from the other side, and after 20 years, I did divorce.  My youngest was by 7.  He is with me now, as my other son will be joining us soon.

I know from a kids perspective, that they want "mama and dad" to always be together and be a family.  For the normal ones.  But what about the broken families?  Where it is apparent that the love is gone.  Do they still?  From my perspective, no, I am glad my parents divorced.  But I hear so many stories of others that bear a grudge with one or both of their parents for separating.  Indeed, one of my daughters bears that scar.  She will probably never know of the lack of love, and I pray each night that she will never be her mother. (as my ex was so much like her mother).

But what do others of 'broken' families feel?  And for the record, I don't think the families are broken, just that the marriage is, but if there was love, it created great things.  And where there was never any, just a fool in love that is dumb as a stump.

Families are not broken as long as there is love for the children.  Marriages are broken for many reasons, or, like mine, should never have occurred.

In any event, staying together for the sake of the family is NOT the answer.  Even tho in my case, 1 and 1 is a split decision.


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on Dec 23, 2005

I'd never stay together for the "Sake of the kids".  Live is short. If you're THAT unhappy with your spouse, it's better to move on for everyone's sake.

My parents split up when I was 4 and I can't think of any real "damage" from it. You don't miss what you don't know.

on Dec 23, 2005
My opinion is that it's better to try to fix things and give it your very best effort (and I definitely consider 20 years a very best effort) to remain a cohesive family unit.

However, if things are miserable and there is always unhappiness and fighting, I don't think it's wrong to divorce. Children need stability and role models and they can't get that from parents who are behaving disgracefully and always hurting each other.

I've been in a situation where divorce was a definite option, and I'm EXTREMELY glad that we worked on things and stayed together.

However, I can honestly say that I if was going to be treated badly and always unhappy I would not hesitate to leave. A human being can only take so much. How good a mom would I be if I allowed myself to be treated like I'm worthless? What message would that send to my boys about THEIR worth and about how to treat women?

I'm so, so, so, so, so grateful it never came to that.
on Dec 23, 2005
I general, I believe divorce is wrong. As was mentioned, too many people divorce for petty reasons, including "I don't love him anymore." Love isn't a feeling, it’s a decision. A decision to care for another person, as much as or more than yourself. There are many situations in life in which we don't feel happy. Even with children, they don't always make us feel good. But we love them anyway. And we should choose to love our spouses just the same. Even in my own short marriage, there have been periods (one terrible one in particular) where I felt really disconnected from my husband. I felt like a maid living in his home to cook and clean and feel the other occasional needs. But there was no emotional connection. Why did I stay? Because deep down I knew the commitment I had made to him, the love that I had chosen. In the end we worked it out.

I think we are all basically in agreement that the ideal situation for the kids would be to have both parents and a happy family. I wouldn't go so far as to say you should stay in a relationship solely "for the sake of the kids." You should stay in it because you made a commitment, you have created a family and it is now your responsibility to choose to make things work.

This is obviously exclusive of such abusive situations as mentioned above.

I don't that I have added much more to the discussion (if there was anything left to add!) But that is my two cents.
on Dec 23, 2005

I am sorry you had such a tough road to hoe.

I appreciate the sentiment, but don't be. I'm not. I've grown a lot through my experiences, as I'm sure you have too.

Yes we have.  I only wrote this to solicit others opinions.  As in should they or shouldn' they.  I do not have any regrets but perhaps others do.

on Dec 23, 2005

My parents split up when I was 4 and I can't think of any real "damage" from it. You don't miss what you don't know.

Very wise words!  But you do have regrets.  Albeit small.  I dont miss anything.  I regret not getting to know my father.  For good, (doubtful) or for bad.

on Dec 23, 2005

I'm so, so, so, so, so grateful it never came to that.

You dont know how glad we are as well!  The we being not you.  Failure is never celebrated.  But in time, we learn to live with it.

on Dec 23, 2005

Why did I stay? Because deep down I knew the commitment I had made to him, the love that I had chosen. In the end we worked it out.

You are one of the great ones, and your contribution is gladly accepted!  And appreciated!  I am so glad for you!  I would rather hear 100 cases like yours than 2 more like mine!

Thank you!

on Dec 25, 2005
i was very young when my parents divorced, and now i'm with my mom. my dad could more or less be non-existant. i visit him occasionally. he doesn't live too far from me. he's an alcoholic, and has hurt me many times with his words and his own stupidity for lack of a better word. but i am so unbelievably happy that he and my mom did not stay together. it wouldn't have been to anyone's benefit at all. not me, or my mother's, to keep us in an environment that was so horrible. and even when it was just my mom and i, i was happy, because i was with my mom and i knew that she was going to take care of everything. good things come out of bad situations. the divorce of my parents may not have seemed good to some people at the time, but looking at the beatiful new family i have now, i can't help but smile and know God planned it all out perfectly.
on Dec 25, 2005

Reply By: jlaur65
Posted: Sunday, December 25, 2005

i was very young when my parents divorced, and now i'm with my mom. my dad could more or less be non-existant. i visit him occasionally

You are a true angel!  God bless you! Your father is not worthy of you, and yet you still see him.  Perhaps one day he will see his stupidity and realize the gift you have given him!  I hope so.  But know this, from one divorced father, I really do hope and pray my children are as wise as you!

Merry Christmas!  And thank you!

on Dec 25, 2005
But what do others of 'broken' families feel?


Ahh, great topic. My parents divorced because they were immature, selfish, and unwilling to work for a successful marriage. Now as a married woman myself, I've faced the option of divorce but I thought twice. We can AND SHOULD work this out...yes, for the sake of our child, and even for ourselves. It all depends on the individual personalities, but in our case we worked HARD to make this work, and we are happier now than we were when we met. We've grown more mature & compassionate. Our son is in bliss and we never want to shatter that for him. Every difficult thing is immensely rewarding to work through. In so many cases, marriages can be saved if people just mellow out and work hard on *loving* again.
on Dec 26, 2005
i was very young when my parents divorced, and now i'm with my mom. my dad could more or less be non-existant. i visit him occasionally. he doesn't live too far from me. he's an alcoholic, and has hurt me many times with his words and his own stupidity for lack of a better word. but i am so unbelievably happy that he and my mom did not stay together. it wouldn't have been to anyone's benefit at all. not me, or my mother's, to keep us in an environment that was so horrible. and even when it was just my mom and i, i was happy, because i was with my mom and i knew that she was going to take care of everything. good things come out of bad situations. the divorce of my parents may not have seemed good to some people at the time, but looking at the beatiful new family i have now, i can't help but smile and know God planned it all out perfectly.

Stop makin' me cry. ((((((((((((((((((((J))))))))))))))))))))))))))
on Dec 26, 2005

My parents divorced because they were immature, selfish, and unwilling to work for a successful marriage. Now as a married woman myself, I've faced the option of divorce but I thought twice. We can AND SHOULD work this out...yes, for the sake of our child, and even for ourselves.

I use to think just as you.  My parents divorced as well.  But sometimes, when one party is unwilling to work on it, there is not much the other party can do.

on Dec 28, 2005
Great article Doc and you guys have made some very interesting comments! I guess it would definately depend on the situation, the relationship, both parents being willing to work at the relationship and whether or not they do want to stay together. Of course that would require them still having love for each other despite what has caused them to come to this fork in the road of their marriage.

I am not the product of a broken marriage but I remember as a child my parents having a moment in their relationship when they had a mountain to climb over. It was a taxing and scary time for all of us. The worst thing I beleive that would make a relationship come to tax like this is one partner cheating on the other, and that's what happened. But they still loved each other and they worked at it and they were together for a very long time. It took death to separate them.

It doesn't always have to be cheating though. It could be any number of things. Neglect, falling out of love as others of you have said, one partner not living up to their end of the deal in the marriage and lies. Those things might not seem so big a reason to get a divorce but disillusionment and not being in love anymore can be a big factor as well. It would most definately be hard for any kid to see their parents divorce, but I agree that it is harder for them and they will want their parents to be together no matter what. They wouldn't see the big picture or understand until they are a lot older and understand a lot more.

I too don't agree with staying in a relationship if there's no hope, because no matter how you work at it, as more than one of you said, if both partners are not willign to work at it, and if one of them is no longer in love, then what's the point? And especially if there's a question of abuse or something like that, then I recommend getting the heck out. Children do not need to be around an abusive relationship, verbal or physical.
on Dec 28, 2005

Stop makin' me cry. ((((((((((((((((((((J))))))))))))))))))))))))))

She is a great lady (I would say child, but she shows a great deal of maturity, thanks to you.  I know you still think of her as one - we are parents after all).

on Dec 28, 2005

Reply By: foreverserenity

Posted: Wednesday, December 28, 2005

Great article Doc

WOW!  that was a great response and hit on all cylinders!  I agree with you totally!  I am so happy for your parents.  I wish mine was (okay bad term but) so simple!  I always thought of growing old with her, but then when she told me the ugly truth, I did have a choice.  Stay in a loveless relationship, or try to start over.  And the kids.  I told her that was the only reason I was still with her after the revelation, but I guess she wanted an out as she then proceeded to use the picatore's to make sure we would not.

I regret it every day, yet do not.  I love my children and yes, they hurt me a lot.  But I dont show it, and never will to them or their mother.  That is all she is trying to do.  SHe is a sick woman.  I do fear for my children, and feel sorry for her.  I think her new husband (married 6 months after the divorce, but I know she does not love him either - he is just a useful dupe) will not allow that to happen. I dont like him, but strangely, I do trust him.

Thanks for a great response!  You really have a punch in your responses!  And well needed!

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