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Published on November 23, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

By now most are aware of the John Murtha call for the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq.  Murtha actually said (from his own website): http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/statement_051117iraq.html

 I believe we must begin discussions for an immediate re-deployment of U.S. forces from Iraq. 

So in an accommodating fashion, the House decided to do just that, with resolution number 571: http://www.rules.house.gov/109/text/hres571/109hres571.pdf which merely re-iterates what Murtha said:

RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Clear so far?  Murtha asked for, and the Republicans obliged.  The resolution went down to defeat 403-3.  Even Murtha would not vote for it!

But here comes the kicker!  Newsweek ran a story. In it they basically outline how Murtha was put up to this by Nancy Pelosi (before being hung out to dry), but then go on to state:

By a vote of 403-3, the House ultimately rejected a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution, which the GOP had crafted (without Murtha's permission) to sound as cravenly antiwar as possible. Seeing the obvious trap, virtually every Democrat, including Murtha, voted against it.

Bowdlerized?  It stated exactly what Murtha did! Cravenly Antiwar?  Maybe Murtha should have thought before he let Pelosi snooker him!  But that is what he said!

Obvious Trap?  So to the loons in the Mainstream Media, bowing into the demands of the democrats, is setting a trap?

It is clear that there is no longer any rational thought in the MSM!  It is clear from this story that the democrats were out maneuvered, and they are the ones crying fowl?

Perhaps the next time a member of the democrat party wants to make an irresponsible and inflammatory statement, they will think twice about it!  For while their mouthpieces in the MSM will attempt to spin it to show them in a good light, the Blogosphere will be ever vigilant and call both the democrats and the MSM to task.

And now it seems, so will the republicans in the House.  Were the Senate so fortified in the spine.


Comments (Page 5)
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on Nov 27, 2005

That's an opinion. I thought you wanted facts.

That is an opinion.  I never stated otherwise.  I did want facts, so far none have been offered.

on Nov 27, 2005

You are the IDIOT. Any ass that would say dead Americans in Iraq is an opinion is a complete idiot. Anyone that believes we are controlling the terrorism in Iraq is NUTS!

Try again!  I did not say that.  I said that you were offering opinions.  You then gave me your opinions.  Guess what?  Not every week!  And guess what again?  the other 2 "facts" are just totally stupid!

I will concede Americans are dying.  That nugget was hidden in your message of propaganda!  So get off my LZ ath-hoole!

on Nov 27, 2005
Dr Guy

You are the IDIOT. Any ass that would say dead Americans in Iraq is an opinion is a complete idiot. Anyone that believes we are controlling the terrorism in Iraq is NUTS!


I think YOU'RE the idiot! Show me where drguy said American dead in Iraq is an opinion. I think that you have a reading comprehension disorder.
on Nov 27, 2005

I think YOU'RE the idiot! Show me where drguy said American dead in Iraq is an opinion. I think that you have a reading comprehension disorder.

In his meager defense, I did say that all he was giving was an opinion.  So yes, byt extensions he could say that.  So I officially withdraw that one.  Americans have died.  Col Klink was not one of them!

on Nov 27, 2005
Col Klink was not one of them!


Damn shame on that one.
on Nov 28, 2005
Why don't all you supporters of the Bush Policy in Iraq go to Iraq and help Fight for their freedom!
on Nov 28, 2005
LTG Odem was just on CNN and said he believes that our continued occupation of Iraq is enabling the Shiite Terrorists to move Iraq closer to another Iran. It that happens, the Bush policy will be a MAJOR blunder. That is just about the worst outcome and much worse then having Saddam in power.
on Nov 28, 2005
That is just about the worst outcome and much worse then having Saddam in power.


And an immediate withdrawal of all troops from Iraq would be a better one? A lawless, chaotic vacuum would be left in the American withdrawal. What worse, more cowardly mistake could we make? And that is what Murtha's resolution would accomplish.

We made the mess, we need to clean it up. In other words, stay the course.
on Nov 28, 2005

Why don't all you supporters of the Bush Policy in Iraq go to Iraq and help Fight for their freedom!

Someone has to fight the sleeze balls back at home while they try to undermine the troops.

on Nov 28, 2005

And an immediate withdrawal of all troops from Iraq would be a better one?

Better only for those who have nothing better to do than to hate Bush.  Thatg way they can say he failed.

on Nov 28, 2005
Did you like how I tried to pull this thread back to its topic?
on Nov 28, 2005
Did you like how I tried to pull this thread back to its topic?


Good show old chap. My apologies for pulling OT.
on Nov 28, 2005
Yes, Bush has created a mess but there is not clear way to fix it. Our staying is not solving anything. The terrorism goes on the same or worse day after day. God help us if we leave behind another Iran!
on Nov 28, 2005

Did you like how I tried to pull this thread back to its topic?

Hope springs eternal as they say.

on Nov 28, 2005

Good show old chap. My apologies for pulling OT.

I dont think it was you.

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