Put up or Shut Up Murtha

Published on November 23, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

By now most are aware of the John Murtha call for the immediate withdrawal of troops from Iraq. Murtha actually said (from his own website): http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/pa12_murtha/statement_051117iraq.html

I believe we must begin discussions for an immediate re-deployment of U.S. forces from Iraq.

So in an accommodating fashion, the House decided to do just that, with resolution number 571: http://www.rules.house.gov/109/text/hres571/109hres571.pdf which merely re-iterates what Murtha said:

RESOLUTION
Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

Clear so far? Murtha asked for, and the Republicans obliged. The resolution went down to defeat 403-3. Even Murtha would not vote for it!

But here comes the kicker! Newsweek ran a story. In it they basically outline how Murtha was put up to this by Nancy Pelosi (before being hung out to dry), but then go on to state:

By a vote of 403-3, the House ultimately rejected a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution, which the GOP had crafted (without Murtha's permission) to sound as cravenly antiwar as possible. Seeing the obvious trap, virtually every Democrat, including Murtha, voted against it.

Bowdlerized? It stated exactly what Murtha did! Cravenly Antiwar? Maybe Murtha should have thought before he let Pelosi snooker him! But that is what he said!

Obvious Trap? So to the loons in the Mainstream Media, bowing into the demands of the democrats, is setting a trap?

It is clear that there is no longer any rational thought in the MSM! It is clear from this story that the democrats were out maneuvered, and they are the ones crying fowl?

Perhaps the next time a member of the democrat party wants to make an irresponsible and inflammatory statement, they will think twice about it! For while their mouthpieces in the MSM will attempt to spin it to show them in a good light, the Blogosphere will be ever vigilant and call both the democrats and the MSM to task.

And now it seems, so will the republicans in the House. Were the Senate so fortified in the spine.

Comments (Page 4)

Dr Guy

on Nov 26, 2005

I'll talk to you the next time you spread your misinformation.

No, you dont talk. YOu just preach. And are a lousy one at that. I document facts. YOu spread lies and crap., No documentation.

Just crap.

COL Gene

on Nov 26, 2005

Well here is some hard facts. We are not able to control the terrorism in Iraq. Week after week we have more American troops killed. We can not maintain the current troop levels in Iraq for another year without sending our troops back for third and in some cases a fouth tour. Most Iraqis want us to leave.

davad70

on Nov 26, 2005

You spread lies and crap., No documentation.

I showed you facts. I showed you that the GOP resolution was in fact(according to the dictionary), a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution.

You said what I posted was an after the fact CYA by Murtha. I showed you the congressional record that shows the entire resolution I posted was introduced in congress on 11-17-05, one day prior to the GOP resolution. And you have refused to offer anything other than your opinion to support that what I quoted was an "an priori" or "after the fact CYA". I've asked you several times to clarify what you meant by "after the fact", after what? But you refuse to answer for fear of being proved wrong.

Am I missing something here?

on Nov 26, 2005

This is from the Murtha resolution -
Therefore be it

1) Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in
2) Congress assembled,
3) That:
4) Section 1. The deployment of United States forces in Iraq, by direction of Congress, is
5) hereby terminated and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy.

So this is like quitting a job. Murtha proposes the two-week notice.

Now the Republicans offer up a resolution:

Expressing the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

1 Resolved, That it is the sense of the House of Representatives that the deployment of United States forces in Iraq be terminated immediately.

What happened to this part:

"and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy"

COL Gene

on Nov 27, 2005

The GOP will pressure Bush to reduce the troop levels prior to the 2006 Congressional elections. Wait and see!

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

As usual Col Klink, you cannot tell opinion from fact. Again you have no facts, just youir stupid opinion. YOur poop chute has a better one.

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

I showed you facts. I showed you that the GOP resolution was in fact(according to the dictionary), a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution.

No, you showed me where the GOP resolution was exactly the same! Or are you really ESL? English is a difficult language. You should go for reading comprehension

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

What happened to this part:

"and the forces involved are to be redeployed at the earliest practicable
6) date.
7) Section 2. A quick-reaction U.S. force and an over-the-horizon presence of U.S. Marines
8) shall be deployed in the region.
9) Section 3. The United States of America shall pursue security and stability in Iraq
10) through diplomacy"

Kind of extraneous when you realize that the immediate withdrawal of troops would create a vacuum, that the so called quick strike force would be unable to handle. The Key was the same. The rest is just window dressing that has no substance in it.

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

The GOP will pressure Bush to reduce the troop levels prior to the 2006 Congressional elections. Wait and see!

Actually, the Iraqis are already setting a time table that will do that. But I guess they are being run by the GOP as well.

COL Gene

on Nov 27, 2005

Dr Guy\\

You NEVER answer. I did sight facts.

We do not have control of the terroriem in Iraq.

Americans are being killed every week.

Most people in Iraq want us to leave.

Show me any of these statements that are not correct?

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

You NEVER answer. I did sight facts.

That is Cite. Idiot. And you did not 'sight' anything! You stated your OPINION! And one shared by only your loony loopy luddite brothers and sisters! SO dont get on my blog and call me a liar when it is clear you are either one or an idiot. I will let you decide which.

davad70

on Nov 27, 2005

I showed you facts. I showed you that the GOP resolution was in fact(according to the dictionary), a bowdlerized version of Murtha's resolution.

No, you showed me where the GOP resolution was exactly the same! Or are you really ESL? English is a difficult language. You should go for reading comprehension

There is simply no point in this. You really need help.

Free Thinker

on Nov 27, 2005

"Kind of extraneous when you realize that the immediate withdrawal of troops would create a vacuum, that the so called quick strike force would be unable to handle. The Key was the same. The rest is just window dressing that has no substance in it."

That's an opinion. I thought you wanted facts. And what do you mean by vacuum? Who has power in Iraq right now? The Shia clercs. If the American withdraw to Kuwait and Kurdistan, who will have power in Iraq, the Shia clerics and their militias. No difference then now. And they will put down the Sunni insurgenci with the Kurds in the north taking Kerkuk and Msul.

COL Gene

on Nov 27, 2005

Dr Guy

You are the IDIOT. Any ass that would say dead Americans in Iraq is an opinion is a complete idiot. Anyone that believes we are controlling the terrorism in Iraq is NUTS!

Dr Guy

on Nov 27, 2005

There is simply no point in this. You really need help.

No, but you can stand some.

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