Bill Clinton - Saddams Henchmen are ok with me.

Published on November 21, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Bill Clinton has decided he now wants to be George S. Patton. In a speech recently, Bill opined:

"When [the U.S.] kicked out Saddam, they decided to dismantle the whole authority structure," Clinton told an audience at American University in Dubai. "Most of the people who were part of that structure were good, decent people who were making the best out of a very bad situation," he added.

So, the people that were aiding and abetting Saddam in his exterminating the kurds and other troublesome people, were decent people! Sure they were!

But Clinton is not original in that thought. In September 1945, when asked why he left so many Nazi's remain in power, Patton said they were trained for the job and that most "just belonged to a polical party".

"Isn't this Nazi thing really just like a Republican-Democratic election fight? The "outs" calling the "ins" Nazis"? To this question, Patton answered, "Yes, that's about it."

For that, the press vilified Patton and said he was calling Republicans and Democrats "Nazis". You can see he did not, altho the American Nazi party is a legitimate party today.

SO Bill Clinton is trying to be Patton. And you have heard all the newspapers screaming about him calling Republicans and Democrats Baathists, right?

You haven't? Seriously? Come to think of it, neither have I.

Guess they dont crucify one of their own - liberals that is.

Comments (Page 1)

kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

For that, the press vilified Patton and said he was calling Republicans and Democrats "Nazis". You can see he did not

just as i clearly as i can see clinton isn't saying "the people that were aiding and abetting Saddam in his exterminating the kurds and other troublesome people, were decent people."

you greatly overestimate your abilities as a propagandist if you thought you could get this one to fly.

Rightwinger

on Nov 21, 2005

just as i clearly as i can see clinton isn't saying "the people that were aiding and abetting Saddam in his exterminating the kurds and other troublesome people, were decent people."

---kingbee

What else would he have been saying, if not what he meant? How is it possible to take this particular quote any other way?

Patton may not have competely understood the question as it was posed at the time he made his quote.

I think you maybe greatly UNDERESTIMATE your own blindness to leftwing propaganda, and your own willingness to let it fly.

bakerstreet

on Nov 21, 2005

Eh, Patton did the right thing. The average "nazi" was about as culpable for the crimes of WW2 as I am for the war in Iraq. Keeping them at home in their jobs didn't prevent them from being prosecuted for war crimes, anyway. Patton knew that unless they had a stable Germany fairly quickly, the Soviets would. He was right in assuming that our next enemy would be the Soviets, and that it wouldn't be long at all. He was also correct in assuming that as far as administration the government in Germany wasn't all that out of whack.

For that matter, the average Baathist probably weren't evil people. The problem with Clinton's point is that Nazism was stomped from existance as an ethos. You could separate the problems with Nazism and their ability to do their day-to-day job. The problem with the Baathists was their day-to-day job was generally corrupt and abusive.

Germany oppressed minorities with the leadership of the majority. The majority was going to be in charge for the most part, anyway, regardless of the Nazi ethos. What was necessary was giving the minority a voice, and protect them.

Iraq oppressed the majority under the thumb of the minority. In a true democratic situation you would have never seen that arrangement, unlike Germany, who probably would have had roughly the same leadership regardless. To leave the Baathists in power would be to continue the unnatural arrangement.

Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

you greatly overestimate your abilities as a propagandist if you thought you could get this one to fly.

No propagandist. I showed 2 statements, very similar, where is your outrage at the the treatment Patton got? OH sorry, are you just an appolgist?

Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

Patton may not have competely understood the question as it was posed at the time he made his quote.

I think he did. that is why he said "you can say that". He did not say "that is what I said".

My question stands to kb. rail against the hatchet job of Patton? Or excuse the silence of the media today.

You choice. I dont think you are brave enough to make one.

ParaTed2k

on Nov 21, 2005

The truly sad part is, if the return to hostilities was done by Clinton, all we would hear from him and the press is how great our guys are doing over there. The fact is, they are doing a great job, but Clinton, his fawns in the press and the anti Bush crowd just can't get themselves to acknowledge anything positive, lest it may make Bush look good.

Democrats in the White House uber alles.

Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

For that matter, the average Baathist probably weren't evil people. The problem with Clinton's point is that Nazism was stomped from existance as an ethos. You could separate the problems with Nazism and their ability to do their day-to-day job. The problem with the Baathists was their day-to-day job was generally corrupt and abusive.

No, the problem is that Patton got slammed for saying it. Bill Clinton is being disengenious in suggesting that Bush would not have. Bush was damned from the get go. They only needed an excuse.

Dr Guy

on Nov 21, 2005

Of course. When did the press get nasty about Vietnam? When Nixon was elected.

I am sorry mr. Liberal, but this is Mr Kennedy's and Mr. Johnson's war!

kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

How is it possible to take this particular quote any other way?

the quote you've highlighted isn't what clinton said...it's dr guy's paraphrase of what he'd like you to believe clinton said.

I think you maybe greatly UNDERESTIMATE your own blindness

not nearly as much as you overestimate your ability to comprehend what you read.

kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

To leave the Baathists in power would be to continue the unnatural arrangement.

clinton was speaking specifically about bremer's decision to fire the entire iraqi army and start over from scratch. from what i understand, in this instance, bremer demonstrated why they call people who do that kinda stuff 'loose cannons'. with the possible exception of the shia, i can't recall anyone who felt it was anything but a really dumb move.

kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

where is your outrage at the the treatment Patton got?

it's overshadowed by my amazement at yet another one of your attempts to recraft a quoted statement and expect anyone (anyone but rightwinger, i guess) to buy into your scam.

kingbee

on Nov 21, 2005

When did the press get nasty about Vietnam? When Nixon was elected

how could someone who sold newspapers during the mid-60s, make such an innacurate statement? did you ever read the headlines? do you think lbj decided not to run because he was tired of all the good press he'd been getting?

whatever nixon got, he earned.

Dr Guy

on Nov 25, 2005

the quote you've highlighted isn't what clinton said...it's dr guy's paraphrase of what he'd like you to believe clinton said

Actually no it is not. It is his quote, not mine. Better get a program to stay on top of it.

Dr Guy

on Nov 25, 2005

with the possible exception of the shia, i can't recall anyone who felt it was anything but a really dumb move.

Better do some better research then.

Dr Guy

on Nov 25, 2005

it's overshadowed by my amazement at yet another one of your attempts to recraft a quoted statement and expect anyone (anyone but rightwinger, i guess) to buy into your scam.

At least you are consistent in your myopia. Now try actually debating the facts? I know that is an anathema to you, but just humor me since this is my blog.

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