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Published on November 21, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Yes, that mainstay of English teachers (actually literature teachers, but they are not smart enough to know the difference), Kurt Vonnegut has decided that his hate for Bush is so great, that the Terrorists must be good people!

"They are dying for their own self-respect," he said. "It's a terrible thing to deprive someone of their self-respect. It's like your culture is nothing, your race is nothing, you're nothing."

You see how silly and stupid he is?  Dying for self respect can be noble.  Taking out a bunch of innocent women and children has nothing to do with your self respect or cause!  It is purely and simply evil.  Yes, Virginia, evil does exist. 

Vonnegut goes on to proclaim them heros:

 "I regard them as very brave people, yes."

Now you can see why he is completely off his rocker.  A brave person faces a formidable foe.  Blowing yourself up among a bunch of unarmed civilians is not bravery, it is the extreme in cowardice!

But I know I am going to be slammed for this article.  For you see, Vonnegut is a WWII veteran.  So by the law of the left, one can never speak ill about a decorated hero that has gone over to the left side (Oliver North is fine as he did not stray to the left).

This is just pure and unadulterated hate by the loons of the left!  Vonnegut is an over rated author, who cant tell a decent story anyway (he has to make each one a statement, which tends to get in the way of a good story).  Now he has decided that any thing is justified as long as you have hate.

The only difference between him and the suicide bombers is that they at least only perform their hatred once.  Vonnegut is not even that brave (as he would call it), so he cowers behind his hatred secretly (not so any more) egging on those who share his hatred.  Regardless of the collateral damage.


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on Nov 21, 2005
I am certainly no literary expert, but I've never been that souped up on Vonnegut either. How can you have "respect" for these cowards? The Kamikaze of WWII I can understand since they were attacking well armed military targets, but these guys? I don't think so...
on Nov 21, 2005

The Kamikaze of WWII I can understand since they were attacking well armed military targets,

I do have respect for the Kamikaze pilots, for the very reason you state.  Not for these bacteria tho.

on Nov 21, 2005
Kurt has always been a loon, it why I like what he writes.....as for his personal opinions, well, in his own words,

So it goes................
on Nov 21, 2005

So it goes................

Because I love SciFi, my "literature" teachers always shoved him down my throat (him and Ursela LeGuin).  I find his story ideas intriguing. But his writing just plain sucks.

Watching Paint dry is on par with reading him.

on Nov 21, 2005
His books suck, too, frankly. I read constantly, double-majored in history/lit, and frankly I've read brochures that were more entertaining...
on Nov 21, 2005

His books suck, too, frankly. I read constantly, double-majored in history/lit, and frankly I've read brochures that were more entertaining...

Agreed!  Just dont tell John Brunner!

on Nov 21, 2005
When I was in school we had to read Slaughterhouse Five and Breakfast of Champions. I made it through both of them, but found both to be very boring reads. I told my teacher what I thought and was told it was because I lacked the brain to appreciate works of one of the greatest American authors of all-time.

I'm glad to see some people who's "brains" I do respect hold the same contempt for his writings.

Doc, to me Vonnegut reminds me of my grandfather, who as he got older would rail nonsense non-stop against everything and everyone.
on Nov 21, 2005
'Kurt Vonnegut has decided that ... the Terrorists must be good people!' ... 'Vonnegut goes on to proclaim them heros: "I regard them as very brave people, yes."'

So who is it who's 'not smart enough to know the difference'?

There is a clear indicator here that you guys have trouble arguing against Vonnegut's politics - the only coherent response you appear able to agree upon is (gasp) 'his writing just plain sucks'. Somehow I think Vonnegut will survive this terrible onslaught, and I for one don't mind that a bit.
on Nov 21, 2005

I told my teacher what I thought and was told it was because I lacked the brain to appreciate works of one of the greatest American authors of all-time.

No, you just wanted to read for pleasure as did I.  he has good ideas, but his writing style is like stale bread!

on Nov 21, 2005

There is a clear indicator here that you guys have trouble arguing against Vonnegut's politics - the only coherent response you appear able to agree upon is (gasp) 'his writing just plain sucks'. Somehow I think Vonnegut will survive this terrible onslaught, and I for one don't mind that a bit.

Umm, perhaps you may want to read the article and not just the comments?

bad Furry!  i said I thought he was whacko.  The rest are just saying he is a hack writer.  SO far, we are all batting 1000.  Except the one that did not read the article perhaps?

on Nov 23, 2005
'Umm, perhaps you may want to read the article and not just the comments?

In that instance, I was responding to the comments, and I made that clear. Is this no longer allowed?

Besides, I DID make a point about the article, which you appear to have overlooked. You state 'Kurt Vonnegut has decided that his hate for Bush is so great, that the Terrorists must be good people!' - yet nowhere do you actually quote him as saying either. He says nothing about Bush, and only that 'they' (suicide bombers, presumably) are 'brave' and 'dying for their own self-respect' - not that they are 'good'. Hence my point about recognising the difference.
on Nov 23, 2005

In that instance, I was responding to the comments, and I made that clear. Is this no longer allowed?

It is, but it is not clear.  I just reread the response and no where did you say it was just the comments.  I took it as the entire article, Comments included.

yet nowhere do you actually quote him as saying either. He says nothing about Bush,

The bitterness against Bush was clearly enunciated in the linked article. I did nto think it was necessary to paste the whole article here, just some poignant quotes.

only that 'they' (suicide bombers, presumably) are 'brave' and 'dying for their own self-respect' - not that they are 'good'. Hence my point about recognising the difference.

Good was my interpretation, and based upon the statements and the article, I stand by it. 

on Nov 23, 2005
Yep, terrorists that intentionally murder innocent women and children are brave heros.

Gimme a break. I wonder how he'd feel if it were members of his family that were killed in one of these cowardly attacks?
on Nov 23, 2005
Sorry guys, Vonnegut is an entertaining read, lately I've found Jimmy Buffett to be just as good.

Salty Piece of Land, and Tales from Margaritaville.....as you get about halfway thru either one you'll see Kurt's influence.

As to a writers politics, well, Newt's books on the civil war could just be the undiscovered cure for insomnia, but I do like his politics.......
on Nov 23, 2005
'Good was my interpretation, and based upon the statements and the article, I stand by it. '
Good for you. And I'll stand by my comments.
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