Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

Recently, the 9th Circus court of appeals issued a ruling that said that Parents have no right to deny their children exposure to smut.  The actual case was not about smut, but Sex education, but to some conservative christians, it amounts to the same thing.

So in effect, while the 9th Circus can miraculously find a right to privacy in the Constitution when it comes to Abortion, and they can find that Parents are responsible for children, they cannot find a right for the parent to have control over what their child is exposed to!

No right to privacy!

It really amazes me how these liberal jurists minds work.  For the life of me, I can not fathom it!  I think in a logical way.   If a=b, unequivocally, and b=c, unequivocally, then a must equal c.  To suggest anything else would be to defy the laws of the universe.

Yet, the 9th Circus manages to do just that in their latest ruling.  privacy=Right.  Parental responsibility =Right.  Parental ability to protect Child <> Right.

It really is mind boggling to see the illogic of the liberal mindset.  yet that does not stop them from thinking they are mainstream, and I am extreme.  Because I believe in the rule of law, not the rule to make laws.

Amazing!  Simply Amazing.


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on Nov 19, 2005

yes, Para, have you... ever been in a turkish prison?

We need a Vector Victor.

on Nov 19, 2005

My children were taken out of the Health Classes in the HS here. Many other parents opted out for theirs as well. In my opinion as well as those of others, the woman teaching the sex-ed program is immoral..I didn't want what she was teaching for my kids. Many parents need to know this is a viable option...many around here didn't know that.

That is because you are the best kind of parent.  One who is involved and will teach your children.  Sadly, there are many not like you.  We did that with our own as well.  Not because we necessarily disagreed with the curriculm, but because we felt it was our responsibility to teach them about Sex.

on Nov 19, 2005

Ummmm Doc...notice anything different?

Yea, someone got a round tuit!

on Nov 19, 2005

I have showered with hundreds of grown men, from lowly privates up to a few Colonels

I was blown away when my kids got to Jr High, and did not have to shower after PE!  We were not allowed out of the locker room until we did back in my day!

on Nov 19, 2005

Do you really expect consistency or logic from the 9th Circus?

Believe it or not, I do hope.  Expect?  No. But I do hope.

on Nov 20, 2005
That is because you are the best kind of parent. One who is involved and will teach your children. Sadly, there are many not like you. We did that with our own as well. Not because we necessarily disagreed with the curriculm, but because we felt it was our responsibility to teach them about Sex.


Who made you Drs. Spock and Ruth rolled into one? I disagree with the quote; if there's a problem with the curriculum it should be changed of if the teacher is truly found immoral, fired.
on Nov 20, 2005
The problem with the 9th is not that it is liberal but incapable of rational thinking. You see, it trapped itself in denying parents advice on a teenager's abortion. The court's reasoning should have been to prosecute those distributing the smut and permitting the parents to deny the child of his or her perverted proclivity, abortion notwithstanding.
on Nov 20, 2005
disagree with the quote; if there's a problem with the curriculum it should be changed of if the teacher is truly found immoral, fired


This is an idealistic thought. I agree with you but firing teachers and changing curriculum is not an easy thing to do. In the meantime what do you do with your kid in the class that year? We did this already with an English teacher and the teacher was fired by year end. In the meantime our kids got quite an education with this teacher. One we were not expecting nor did we want for our children.

While we believed the teacher is immoral I don't believe the administration would think it was bad enough for them to fire said teacher. Only if the teacher commits a blatant imooral act would this be done. And she wasn't that bad....just bad enough that we didn't want her to influence our kids.
on Nov 20, 2005

Who made you Drs. Spock and Ruth rolled into one? I disagree with the quote; if there's a problem with the curriculum it should be changed of if the teacher is truly found immoral, fired.

So what is wrong with a parent teaching a child, irregardless of the value of the curiculm?  I do not proclaim to be Spock or Ruth, but your comment smacks of 'the village' mentality.  As in I cannot instruct my children somehow?

We will very much disagree here!

on Nov 20, 2005

The problem with the 9th is not that it is liberal but incapable of rational thinking. You see, it trapped itself in denying parents advice on a teenager's abortion. The court's reasoning should have been to prosecute those distributing the smut and permitting the parents to deny the child of his or her perverted proclivity, abortion notwithstanding.

The problem is that they did that and they are liberal.  Perhaps that is not a liberal incantation.  But as they advocate it, it falls on that side of the spectrum.  Perhaps if more denounced it as just stupid, left and right, then we could say they were just a bunch of jerks?

on Nov 20, 2005

This is an idealistic thought. I agree with you but firing teachers and changing curriculum is not an easy thing to do. In the meantime what do you do with your kid in the class that year? We did this already with an English teacher and the teacher was fired by year end. In the meantime our kids got quite an education with this teacher. One we were not expecting nor did we want for our children.

That is a good point.  We have had some really hot arguements with teachers that think that is wrong (even tho they are conservative).  They somehow do not feel that teachers should be subject to a value evaluation, on the off chance that perhaps some administrator is a quack.  Something every other profession has to deal with, and while a real possibility, is not that prevalent.

on Nov 21, 2005
if there's a problem with the curriculum it should be changed of if the teacher is truly found immoral, fired.


And who defines "immoral"? The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals? That's what this case was all about. The parents found the sex test immoral and the school didn't. The parents sued, and won. The school appealed and won in the 9th. (Two out, with bases loaded...?)

The problem with your too-simple solution is that this is exactly what is going on. And the umbrage which I take is that the activist court says I don't have any rights when it comes to the education of my kids.
on Nov 21, 2005

And the umbrage which I take is that the activist court says I don't have any rights when it comes to the education of my kids.

That is the scariest part of the 9th Circus ruling.

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