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Tech Support from the other side
Published on October 12, 2005 By Dr Guy In Personal Computing

OK, Dharma posted an article about an ID ten T at SBC.  Now I have a confession to make.  I was once in end user support!  {{{SHOCK}}}

Most of us engineers are not born as engineers but come up through the ranks.  So we have to do our time at the help desk, or desktop support (at the source of the problem).  So I am not going to slam Sukdav Sirra (her support person) that much as I have been there with the really totally clueless!

And I will make another confession.  I was once a programmer! {{{Eeeeevvvvviiilllll}}}

Anyway, I am going to relate a couple (out of a file cabinet full!) instances of my experiences both as a Network Support person (on site) and help desk person (type the letter Y - no DON'T spell out the word type.  Just press the Y).

I am reminded of this because Dan Kashel just wrote an article (http://dankaschel.joeuser.com/index.asp?aid=89096) where he related a day in the life, 21st century style.

Here is a day in the life, 1980s style!  We installed a 400 user LAN system that the users insisted upon calling a LAND system in 9 floors of a 30 story office building.  We had the top floors, and the 3rd sub basement!

After installing the NICs, drivers (those ancient things!  anyone remember Interrupts?), and NOS software and verifying all we moved on to the next computer.  Well in this case, being on what is essentially the 28th floor, I was doing the paperwork from the previous day, and get a call from some one on the sub level!  His computer would not turn on (that happened in those days - these too).  So I went all the way down to see him.  He shows me his computer.  See?  he says?

I pushed the power switch.  brinnng!!!!!!  he had never known what it was!  he had always turned it off at the power strip!  Grrrrrrrr!!! (He retired 2 years later thank god!).

Then you had the Software support questions.  We had one lady that if you told her exactly, keystroke by keystroke, what to type in, she would mess it up!  Honest to god!

OK, now type the following: E D L I N (space) A U T O E X E C (period) B A T

Anyone want to guess what she typed?  Uh huh!  She typed out the words space and period!

Ever been on a tech support call as a customer and the other end goes dead for a few seconds?  Sometimes they were not laughing!  No, in this case I was beating the phone on the desk!

OK, case 3.  We were running DRDOS 6, which meant (this is geeky) we could actually rename the autoexec.bat and config.sys files!  Which meant that most software (which the user was not supposed to install themselves) would modify the wrong files and probably not run!  Yippeee!

But there was this one user.  He knew everything!  So when Windows 3.0 came out (gagging sound), it would not run! (Contrary to Microsoft's illicit claim, DRDOS 6.0 worked fine with both Windows 3.0 and 3.1x)  Of course not! It installed itself into dummy files not the real files!

But he did have the audacity to call us and tell us his computer was broken!  It took about a New York minute to figure out what he had done, which of course he denied!  Right!  Bill Gates snuck in over night and did it!

In those days, a del dirname /r /s /e (I told you we had DRDOS 6.0!) took care of any rogue programs!  I don't think he knows to this day why it would not work at work while it worked (????) fine at home!

OK, so Dharma, while you are very smart. I have been in the Business too long!  There are a lot of dummies out there!  I have the gray hair to prove it!

But now I just have to deal with idiot engineers, and blowhard big wigs!  No more end users!  I gradieated!


Comments
on Oct 12, 2005

For Geeks only!

Do you know what LANMAN was?  Do you know NetBios?  Do you know how to say a 400 node network on a single unrouted wire?  Do you know pain?

I knew you would!

on Oct 12, 2005
Do you know what LANMAN was?

Ooooh. Novell was your friend, wasn't it?

Do you know NetBios?

Hmmmm.... *shudder*

Do you know how to say a 400 node network on a single unrouted wire?

Can we say, ouch? That definitely qualifies as a nightmare.

Do you know pain?

How does networking the following systems: Windows NT 3.0 (Server) to a pair of Windows 3.11 (WfWg, actually) systems running LANtastic to an MS-DOS 6.22 box running a DIFFERENT version of LANtastic to a Linux (1.0 Slackware) box. Running TCP/IP.

All of that had to talk to a SUN SPARCstation V across a CSLIP dial-up connection.

I still wake up in cold sweats from that nightmare.

And don't make me pull out the college lab consultant stories. Those are true pain.
on Oct 12, 2005

How does networking the following systems: Windows NT 3.0 (Server) to a pair of Windows 3.11 (WfWg, actually) systems running LANtastic to an MS-DOS 6.22 box running a DIFFERENT version of LANtastic to a Linux (1.0 Slackware) box. Running TCP/IP.

Close!

BTW:  I cut my teeth on Netware Advanced 86, went to Netware 2.1, 2.15, 2.2, and then jumped to 3.11.  But between the 2.1 and the 3.11  we had Lanman 1.2, and 1.3 (simultaneous running the 2.15 and 2.2).

College lab?  Do you belong to Resnet? if not, you should!  I can get you a subscription.......

BTW.  DRDOS 6 kicked MS ass!  Every which way from sunday!

on Oct 12, 2005
DRDOS 6 kicked MS ass! Every which way from sunday!


I didn't usually run MS-DOS ... can't remember what shell I used, but it was sweet. A lot of what we take for granted now (scripting, aliases, variant boot files, commandline completion, command history) were there... now, why can't I remember it?

Oh, yeah. It's the gray hair creeping in and stealing my memory.

Oh, who am I kidding? I've always been the absentminded professor type.
on Oct 12, 2005
The people you describe having to help is the same kind of person I called for help the other day. Dimwitted. Not all there. Been eating retard sandwiches. slooooooow as molasses in january.

but they were getting paid for it! that's what really drives me nuts!
on Oct 12, 2005
I pushed the power switch. brinnng!!!!!! he had never known what it was! he had always turned it off at the power switch!


I think one of those should probably say "Power strip"....
on Oct 12, 2005
...phew... I was nearly afraid this was realted to my Switch DesktopX thingy....
on Oct 13, 2005
[dharmagrl]
The people you describe having to help is the same kind of person I called for help the other day. Dimwitted. Not all there. Been eating retard sandwiches. slooooooow as molasses in january.

but they were getting paid for it! that's what really drives me nuts!


I'm not altogether clued up when it comes to computers, but when I stike a dumbass techie who's even more confused than I am, and getting paid for it, my faith in the product is diminished considerably. Symantec really blew it with me when all I could get were standard issue emails that failed to address my problem....and the phone support which left me feeling even more bewildered because I didn't have a Hindu to English translation dictionary on hand. The blame there lies squarely with the company, however, rather than the person thrown in at the deep end, because he made every effort to assist but was unable to bridge the langauge gap.

Another thing that pisses me off is the online support page that has a specified menu from which you cannot deviate to seek alternative answers to the ones provided, thus leaving nowhere else to go but expensive phone support, or request the standard issue email that points in every other direction but yours. It's like tunnel vision...that which exists outside their sphere of thought doesn't exist, and therefore not considered. When I found one manufacturers site impossible to navigate towards a solution for my specific needs, their emails being far from adequate, the answers were eventually found here in the WC forums. Long live Wincustomize.
on Oct 13, 2005

I didn't usually run MS-DOS ... can't remember what shell I used, but it was sweet. A lot of what we take for granted now (scripting, aliases, variant boot files, commandline completion, command history) were there... now, why can't I remember it?

DR DOS had that and more when Microsoft was still struggling with the 32mb barrier.

on Oct 13, 2005

The people you describe having to help is the same kind of person I called for help the other day. Dimwitted. Not all there. Been eating retard sandwiches. slooooooow as molasses in january.

I know you had a bad experience, but the thing to remember being on the other side (which is no longer seems to be drilled into the help desk people) is that the Customer is always right.  As aggravating as these and the many other instances I encountered went, I always reminded myself that this person was a professional in another field, and computers were just black boxes to them.  The first thing I did when I got a call was to determine their level of sophistication with subtle questions.  Once I determined that, I could structure my response accordingly. 

And on the occassion that I did not have a clue (when FAT32 came out it broke some of my programs because of the greater than 32gb feature), I told them I would have to research it and get back to them.

However, if I got a command line wizard, I did not baby talk them through editing the startu pfiles.  I told them "Put this line into the Autoexec.bat file" and let them do it themselves.  I did not have a script that had to be used every time someone called as the current help desk people appear to have.  In other words, the tech support was adaptive and intelligent, not rote and irrelevant.

on Oct 13, 2005

I think one of those should probably say "Power strip"....

Oops!  Cita gets a cookie for finding a major typo!

{Grins embarassingly} Thanks.

on Oct 13, 2005

...phew... I was nearly afraid this was realted to my Switch DesktopX thingy....

Nah, this was the glory days when command of the command line made you a god!

on Oct 13, 2005

When I found one manufacturers site impossible to navigate towards a solution for my specific needs, their emails being far from adequate, the answers were eventually found here in the WC forums. Long live Wincustomize.

Starkers, I deleted your duplicate posts.  It looks like JU was hiccuping again.

But your point is very well taken.  Most of the time, it is the company's responsibility since they do the hiring and QA.

And of course a tip of the hat to WC is always welcome here and I suspect on all Stardock sites!  A tribute to a company that knows how to operate well!

on Oct 13, 2005
Starkers, I deleted your duplicate posts. It looks like JU was hiccuping again.


Thank you for that, I didn't realise it had happened. When submitting, I got 3 timed out messages before it was accepted, maybe that's when the duplicates occurred?
on Oct 13, 2005

Thank you for that, I didn't realise it had happened. When submitting, I got 3 timed out messages before it was accepted, maybe that's when the duplicates occurred?

One looked like JU posted before you finished.  But the others were probably due to the fact that the only thing that timed out was the screen, and not the submission.

It is not a perfect site, so I wont complain about a few bugs as you cant beat the value for the buck!