Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

You can call the terrorist in Iraq Bacteria as one here does.  You can call them Freedom Fighters, misguided, evil, insurgents, jack asses, dip wads, murders, baby killers, and just about anything else you want to.  But you would be a fool to call them stupid.

Part of that infamous 13 page letter from al-Zawahiri to al-Zarqari, al-Zawahiri says they must be ready to fill the void when the Americans cut and run.  Note he is not saying if.  Just indicating when.

So was North Vietnam emboldened to continue a war long after it was apparent they could not win, and did win in the press with the help of the likes of Jane Fonda and John Kerry.  Now we have the DNC Leadership, Jane, Cindy and of course the MainStream Media - MSM - (John is so wishy washy that he does not even know what he is voting for or how he is voting).

Of course now, they even have more loons on their side.  White Racists, Homophobes (http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/5085852/detail.html), anti-Semites (Sheehan), and a host of hate mongers whose sole purpose is the acquisition and consolidation of their meager power.  The Troops be damned (as well as the Iraqis - they are not real people anyway).

All of this does not surprise me in the least.  The fact that even the enemies recognize the complicity of the MSM, something the MSM still tries to deny is showing how astute they are and how totally clueless the MSM is!

"More than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media," he wrote. "We are in a media battle in a race for the hearts and minds of our umma," or community of Muslims, he (al-Zawahiri) wrote.

No, none of this really surprises me.  What does surprise me is that anyone with even a modicum of intelligence falls for this crap, and tries to not only get more American Troops killed by emboldening our enemies, but thinks they are actual doing something noble and good!  The last I checked, helping to kill a person was being an accessory, and it was a crime.

But not to these morons.

Perhaps the flaw in my logic was to think that any of them have a modicum of intelligence.  That would explain things rather well.


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on Oct 12, 2005
I beg to differ, that's not what Gil Grissom and Sara Sidal tough me everytime I saw CSI. Hehe.
on Oct 12, 2005
I beg to differ, that's not what Gil Grissom and Sara Sidal tough me everytime I saw CSI. Hehe.


Touche!
on Oct 13, 2005

I beg to differ, that's not what Gil Grissom and Sara Sidal tough me everytime I saw CSI. Hehe.

I preferred Jerry Orbach.

on Oct 13, 2005
I am not trying to say that Mr Bush is worse than Saddam, or Bin Laden etc. but what I am trying to say is that what makes the democratic West different from these brutes and killers is that we hold ourselves to a higher standard. It is no good to simply excuse our own encroachments upon civil liberties and human rights by saying 'the terrorists do it so why shouldn't we'. The whole point is that Al Qaeda are killers, we must ourselves must not become killers or we just become terrorists ourselves, and we walk right into the propaganda traps of Bin Laden.

FYI, I am not "left wing". It is very intellectually defunct to draw such narrow political lines to just say the left hates the war in Iraq, the right loves it. That is rather stupid considering the broad range of opinion on the subject.
on Oct 13, 2005
" doesn't care about freedom"

You cannot justify such blatant disregard for international law (Iraq) and prisoners abuses etc under the specious banner of " freedom".
on Oct 13, 2005

I am not trying to say that Mr Bush is worse than Saddam, or Bin Laden etc.

You may not have meant to, but that is what you did say.  I would not say that Churchill or Roosevelt were on par with Hitler, and yet they fought a war to rid the world of a brutal and genocidal dictator.  Sometimes, good men must step up and confront evil me, or we might as well just chuck civilization out the window, for then no one has any rights, and we live at the merci of the next bin Laden.

on Oct 13, 2005

You cannot justify such blatant disregard for international law (Iraq) and prisoners abuses etc under the specious banner of " freedom".

You group 2 things together that have no place to be together.  First, show me where anyone was justifying prisoner abuses.  Point to a quote where someone said "Lets main and torture these goons".

Second, it was not a violation of International law.  It was in compliance with it.  Others thought different, and that is their opinion.  But the UN told Saddam to comply or face dire consequences.  You may argue that their idea of dire consequences was to scowl and stomp their feet, as Kofi does.  But that would be very childish and silly looking now wouldn't it?

on Oct 13, 2005
Idiot Julian.. or should I just call you Idiot for short?

In case reality has totally abandoned your existence, we prosecute for brutal acts, the bacteria use them as a career enhancer. For our efforts we get braindead people such as yourself telling us that we are no better than the bacteria. We know you hate America, wow, big of you.

Now ooze back into your cesspool and enjoy your dark pathetic life.
on Oct 13, 2005
"I would not say that Churchill or Roosevelt were on par with Hitler, and yet they fought a war to rid the world of a brutal and genocidal dictator."

The idea that Saddam was as great a threat as Hitler is absolutely absurd. The fact that it took about a month to complete destroy his army proves that. The ironic thing is that it is because he did not have WMD that America and Britain had no qualms about attacking him. Why doesn't America attck Iran? They have WMD, they are brutal, surely we must completely destroy that country and bomb it to pieces to ensure freedom and a love of peace is respected?

" First, show me where anyone was justifying prisoner abuses. "

Prisoner abuses and incarceration without trial are happening right now. It is all done under George Bush's rhetorical justification of "freedom". These facts are part and parcel of Bush politics, he at best lets them go unchecked and at worst condones them. How can we claim we are spreading freedom and democracy when we hold people without even trying them for crimes and commit disgusting acts of cruelty and barbarity against prisoners in direct defiance of international law. The problem is widespread, the scandals are numerous.

"For our efforts we get braindead people such as yourself telling us that we are no better than the bacteria."

I didn't say that, what I said is that America is now viewed with distrust because of lies about the whole reason we went to war, a palpable contempt for collaboration with other nations and internally the corruption of the Bush White House is shocking and an affront to democracy. This cannot be America's finest hour.
on Oct 13, 2005
I didn't say that, what I said is that America is now viewed with distrust because of lies about the whole reason we went to war, a palpable contempt for collaboration with other nations and internally the corruption of the Bush White House is shocking and an affront to democracy. This cannot be America's finest hour.


Idiot Jullian... Even Hussein himself thought he had WMD, so there was no lie there... Prs. Bush did go to the useless UN but surprise, surprise, those who were padding their wallets through the joke they called "Sanctions" voted to keep the gravytrain flowing. Of course there is a palpable contempt for that, anyone with even 1 human DNA strand should be outraged... why aren't you? As for Collaboration with nations, there are now 49 nations involved in Iraqi Freedom (which is 15 more than the celebrated Gulf War Coalition in 90-91).

So what you are really saying is, unless your useless UN gives its blessing to a war, it is somehow illegal. But we know that wouldn't have happened because your heros were too busy supporting the raping and torture of Iraqis.

You are one sick excuse for a human being if you truly support the UNs refusal to back up its own words. How could you be so INHUMAN??
on Oct 13, 2005

For our efforts we get braindead people such as yourself telling us that we are no better than the bacteria.

I think he is backing off his original contention.

on Oct 13, 2005

The idea that Saddam was as great a threat as Hitler is absolutely absurd.

Given enough time and the indifference that Hitler faced, how can you say he would not have been?  Have you learned nothing from the Munich Accords?  Apparently not.  SO why dont you just bend over now and pull down your pants to make it easier for the next tin plated tyrant to shove it up your ass.  For that is what you are advocating.

on Oct 13, 2005

Prisoner abuses and incarceration without trial are happening right now.

We all know about Abu Ghraib. I said where it was being justified.  And I dont remember any German or Japanese POWs getting trials.  What a load of garbage.

So try again one cell.  Show me where it is being justified.  Dont go off on "everyone knows it".  That is horseshit and you should at least be able to know that.

on Oct 13, 2005

As for Collaboration with nations, there are now 49 nations involved in Iraqi Freedom (which is 15 more than the celebrated Gulf War Coalition in 90-91).

Most people do forget that.  They only remember that the cronies in crime of Russia, France and Germany did not support us. Why should they?  With the money they were siphoning out of Iraq, we killed their gravy train.

on Oct 13, 2005
Prisoner abuses and incarceration without trial are happening right now.


Another thing people so conveniently forget is, it is against the Geneva Convention to put prisoners on trial.
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