Liberal Appeasement

And you thought it was just a slur

Published on July 13, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

I read an article today where a member of the left side of the spectrum was trying to explain why we should be more tolerant of the terrorist. Now I know that many people got upset when Karl Rove made the statements he did, and some perhaps rightfully so.

But this Article was trying to attach blame to all the victims of terrorism by quoting a recent history of the Middle east. The problem is, he shot at the broad side of a barn and missed totally.

The suggestion of that article, and of many others on the loony left fringe (note to the easily offended: That does not mean ALL left people) is that we should understand them and try to then reason with them so we can all live in peace like little bunny rabbits.

But of course that will not work as they stated objective of the terrorist is not to get us out of the middle east, but to annihilate our society from the face of the earth. For the most part, these terrorists have no beef with any western country other than we are strong and they are weak.

To excuse the deaths of hundreds of civilians because we liberated Kuwait (the stated reason Bin Laden has targeted us) is to say that we must never confront evil for risk of offending some nut job wacko!

We should not have confronted Tojo or Hitler because we were going to offend 200m people! We must not confront Milosovic because we are going to offend millions of Serbs, or Sudan's genocide or we will offend more Muslims!

This is of course totally outrageous and beyond the comprehension of free people. For the end result of such actions is the loss of freedom and liberty!

Yet the left would have us do this for the sake of peace! They totally fail to realize that selling freedom for peace means you have neither! DO you think the Taliban would be a benevolent dictatorship if we just understood them better?

It really boggles my mind that even today after 3 major cities have been targeted by these suicidal homicidal maniacs, that these Casper Milquetoasts can still spout that drivel and think it will make a difference.

It will make a difference all right. They might give YOU a jar of KY Jelly before they ram the shaft up your poop chute! But in either case, as the cliché goes, you are farked.

Comments (Page 2)

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

Boy you can tell all thay just from reading about an attack over the web eh? Now that's reading between the lines!

No, by Reading Bin Laden's Fatwa. Something you are grossly unfamiliar with based upon your ignorance.

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

I think you fail to realize when the pakistani presedent Musharref stopped funding them they had serious money problems. The reign would have fallen in a few years against the northern allies had you just convinced Mushie to crack down on the exploding opium problem and cut off their cash supply! DUH! Link

Tell that to Castro. Link

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

Hahaha. America did not do this alone. It was a joint affair. Let me make this simple for you to understand. Killing is bad. More killing is more bad. When an entity be that a country/islamist group/dictator grabs the reigns of power by the horns and hurts people internationally they got a response.

This is life. Sometimes Shit happens and someone has to deal with it. I would go through the rest of your response, but I wil let it stand as a perfect example of what this article is all about. It is nice to 'feel' for the poor and downtrodden. But when they start killing women and children, it is time to stop feeling and start containing, however possible. You can sit there and spew this shit because brave men died to protect your right to do so.

That does not make you noble, just stupid.

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

he may have had documentation--like the fake documents about iraq buying uranium from niger--

Better recheck your facts. England is standing by that bit of Intel. They were not fake. You are wrong again.

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

if we're really lucky, we'll elect someone in 2008 who'll start making a real effort to deny terrorists the opportunity to wreak nuclear havoc on us. if we're even luckier, we still have three years to waste yelling 'let's roll'

You spend paragraphs going over old debunked myths, and claiming them facts, and then end your diatribe with a call to Elect another Bush. For indeed Clinton did nothing, Gore hid under a desk, and so did Kerry. And we are supposed to believe any of them would have done something? Instead you point the finger, falsely, at Bush's team, complain about the Intel, Intel that Bush could not rebuild in 6 months, that Clinton had gutted, and then say we need a Leader to Out Bush, Bush.

Nice try for circular logic.

bakerstreet

on Jul 14, 2005

Re; Hiroshima and Dresden. I think it is hard for people of our generation to fathom the loss of life that we faced in WW2. We lost as many, sometimes twice as many, soldiers in SINGLE BATTLES in WW2 as we have lost fighting BOTH conflicts in Iraq. We, ourselves, wonder why we bother sending ground troops into Iraqi towns when we could just bomb them flat and not face the house to house fighting. In WW2, we lost a thousand men in a battle regularly.

It's easy to sit in your armchair and say "Well, I would have gladly lost another 30-40,000 men just so I could say I didn't carpet bomb civilians," but, then you aren't the one responsible for those men, and who have to tell their families you risked their lives over a moral choice.

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

It's easy to sit in your armchair and say "Well, I would have gladly lost another 30-40,000 men just so I could say I didn't carpet bomb civilians,"

The estimates that the Allies had if they had invaded Japan was for 1 million casualties, with close to 500k dead. That is hardly 30-40k.

In addition, while the A Bombs killed about 150k thousand, the estimates of Japanese losses were in the millions.

Island Dog

on Jul 14, 2005

Then vote republican.

Dr Guy

on Jul 14, 2005

Then vote republican.

Hehehehehehe

Slanderer

on Jul 14, 2005

No, by Reading Bin Laden's Fatwa. Something you are grossly unfamiliar with based upon your ignorance.

I've read the fatwa. Instead of focusing where he is I focused on what he said. Here is one of the clearer statements declaring his demands. Link

Surprisingly lucid too. For example:

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

JU response "how could they?"

No-one except a dumb thief plays with the security of others and then makes himself believe he will be secure. Whereas thinking people, when disaster strikes, make it their priority to look for its causes, in order to prevent it happening again.

When people do look for answers they become liberal. Even if they are republican! Or as you say, "liberal appeasers". HEL-LO

But I am amazed at you. Even though we are in the fourth year after the events of September 11th, Bush is still engaged in distortion, deception and hiding from you the real causes. And thus, the reasons are still there for a repeat of what occurred.

JU response. The rhetoric of the left wing media. Tsk tsk.

Indirect involvement for the US - direct involvement for Israel. The only thing worse than an anti-semite is a zionist. Stop letting another country dictate your affairs.

I couldn't forget those moving scenes, blood and severed limbs, women and children sprawled everywhere. Houses destroyed along with their occupants and high rises demolished over their residents, rockets raining down on our home without mercy.

Think he was looking for an eye for an eye in those statements? I'd say so.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

Oh look at the persistant foreign policy ghost rears it's ugly head once again.....

This is due to many factors, chief amongst them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Didn't I just say that the other day? Collusion with questionable leaders?

As for the size of the economic deficit, it has reached record astronomical numbers estimated to total more than a trillion dollars.

Those caves must have exceptional broadband service! Sooner or later the money and credit will run out. Maybe that was his plan all along?

But the darkness of the black gold blurred his vision and insight, and he gave priority to private interests over the public interests of America.

This statement acknowledges the contradictions of the white house. It also alludes to well argued conflicts of interest that have been discussed on JU before. Then the denial set in.

Whether you agree or not at least I have argued from a consistant traditional liberal stance and not very far off from one displaced muslim.

What's worse, being someone consciencous enough to look at the opposite perspective or someone who simply multiplies the problem through war?

Texas Wahine

on Jul 14, 2005

Reiki: Your slip's showing.

kingbee

on Jul 14, 2005

Better recheck your facts. England is standing by that bit of Intel. They were not fake. You are wrong again.

do tell. ever heard of the butler report? give it a google and then we can talk.

old debunked myths, and claiming them facts

the team-b approach and ghwb/perle/wolfowitz involvement in it isn't a myth nor has it been debunked, much less denied. what it has been is downplayed in hopes people will forget about it. so that people like you can then act as if it never happened.

a call to Elect another Bush

well now we know what happens when you put your contacts in backwards. elect another bush? wouldnt it be easier to cut out the middleman and just send some acme 'build-it-at-home nuculer weppons' kits to peshawar along with maps to selected major american metro areas?

Dr Guy

on Jul 15, 2005

No, we fight because we are free men who don't sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

JU response "how could they?"

The last I checked, Saudi Arabia has not been attacked or occupied. You want to spread more disinformation and lies? You really are a sick demented asshole.

Dr Guy

on Jul 15, 2005

I say to you, Allah knows that it had never occurred to us to strike the towers. But after it became unbearable and we witnessed the oppression and tyranny of the American/Israeli coalition against our people in Palestine and Lebanon, it came to my mind.

Indirect involvement for the US - direct involvement for Israel. The only thing worse than an anti-semite is a zionist. Stop letting another country dictate your affairs.

Hey stupid, Lebanon is a primarily Christian nation. I can see why everyone thinks you are Reiki. You are a racist bigotted SOB.

Dr Guy

on Jul 15, 2005

do tell. ever heard of the butler report? give it a google and then we can talk.

Why? You calling Blair a liar? Apparently so. So you went to CBS for some more forged documents. Whoopdee do.

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