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As seen by a Conservative
Published on June 30, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

Gideon recently wrote an article on the polarizing effect that the left is playing on American Society today.  It was about one issue, yet it got me to thinking.  What is going on with the left today?

I don't mean only the leadership.  But ma and pa liberal who hold liberal values dear, or Johnny Liberal who is a dyed in the wool liberal and knows his stuff.  And of course the loony loopy left that has taken over the leadership.

I see the left in 3 parts (I am sure you can see the right in 3 parts as well, but that is for another article). 

On the right of left, you have the centrist Liberals.  These are the ones that are more moderate than liberal, but hold many liberal views on social welfare and perhaps even the war.  But they are embarrassed, openly, by the screaming and vitriol of the loony left and the democrat leadership.  While they agree with some of the issues that the leadership espouses, they don't want anything to do with those who call the soldiers baby killers, and the hate Bush to spite the nose crowd.  They are very rational, and do argue well their position because they do not carry the baggage of the hate crowd.

Then you have the typical liberal.  These are the ones that are probably environmentalist, Pro Choice for women period, and of course the social welfare liberals.  They share very few views with any right of center people and debate them vigorously.  They have their own agenda, yet they can argue without resorting to hate and vitriol.  They rarely concede a point, but you can tell when they have run out of arguments or tire of the chase.  They walk away.  They rarely if ever resort to name calling.  And while they do not disavow the loony loopy leadership and other liberals, they don't defend them either.  They ignore the crazies on their side of the spectrum, I think in the hope they will go away or get laryngitis.

Then you have the loony loopy Luddite leftists.  I think we all have seen who they are, from the Durbin "Nazi" and Dean "I hate" ones to the DU.org ones shown by Dr. Bailey.  These don't have any real arguments and hardly ever debate.  They will twists what you say to what they want you to say so they can attack you and belittle you.  And call you names.  Not mild oaths like stupid and idiot, but 4 letter invectives and of course the famous Nazis, Fascists, racists, homophobes, bigots, sexists and Neocons (although none really know what that means).

These are the polarizing left and as we have seen time and time again, they have grabbed control of the democrat party.

The right seeing this, and seeing what it is doing to the country, try to reason with them.  That does not work.  So they try to warn all lefties that they are being led down the path to hell by the loons. 

The Centrist liberals see that too and despair.  And try to stop the rabid erosion of the party.

The Liberals see that as well, but feel they must stay in bed with the loons as they are a minority party, and they need to build up their numbers (forgetting that the loons are the ones that are killing the numbers).

And the loons see nothing wrong.  The truth is as plain as the space where their nose on their face used to be.  The more they hear their echos of hate and self loathing, the happier they are because they think they are connecting with the American public.  They will not only attack any rightie with zeal, but any leftie that strays too far off the reservation.  In essence, they are eating their young.

I don't see this situation changing until the loony loopy Luddite lefties are marginalized.  And that wont happen until the other 2/3 of the party abandon them and move to grab the center away from the righties.  For the righties don't own the center, but the center looks to the left, sees the rabid attack dogs and seek the security of the right to protect them and their loved ones against the rabid ones.

I know none of the LLL lefties will read this and see anything but ignorance and hatred.  And the middle of the left will see some to agree with, but dare not agree with it for fear of attack from the LLL.  And the Left Center? They are the ones going to be going "Damn right!  But you missed a spot!" (Of course they cant outright agree with a rightie, now can they?)


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on Jul 03, 2005
I would also place Zinkadoodle, but he is new, so his may change.


Not in this lifetime.
on Jul 03, 2005
I AM A LEFTY AND RESENT NOT BEING INCLUDED!
on Jul 03, 2005
Doc... I need a favour regarding my blacklist... can you please email me at manopeace@gmail.com

It will be much appreciated.
on Jul 03, 2005
I feel so ignored
on Jul 04, 2005
Me too manopeace.
on Jul 04, 2005
Me too manopeace.


Lets get out the banners Champas and demonstrate in true lefty style...we'll show them
on Jul 04, 2005
Great Article! Personnally, though I find myself agreeing with just about everything liberals in general believe in, I am finding that as I read more on many of the DNC leaders that I once found myself cheering on, I am now wishing they would all go away,(I'll let you know when this starts working...). I think though a lot of why our party is run by people who I find more and more to my dislike is that they are the loonies who throw every nasty thought they have out and in that are the ones who are known, overlooking quiter more moderate and rational voices like Salazar, Obama and Lieberman who would be much better suited for the positions. I'm sure though that the Centralists and Liberals will in time look at the alarm clock and wake up...
"give me a reason why you disagree and let's discuss it."
Like dude, where's the fun in like "agreeing"?(Ha-ha-ha[once again sorry for the sarcasm]

on Jul 05, 2005

Not in this lifetime.

Everyone matures.

on Jul 05, 2005

Reply By: ManopeacePosted: Sunday, July 03, 2005
I AM A LEFTY AND RESENT NOT BEING INCLUDED!

As I said, that is cause you are not American.  But I have always said you are lilberal, and would fit in very well with kingbee and Thatoneguyinslc.

on Jul 05, 2005

Reply By: Champas SocialistPosted: Monday, July 04, 2005
Me too manopeace.

Reply By: ManopeacePosted: Sunday, July 03, 2005
I feel so ignored

Oh Geez!  Ok, you are both Liberal!  Ok?  I know that means something else in Australia, but using the American Definition.

What a bunch of Drama Queens!

on Jul 05, 2005

Lets get out the banners Champas and demonstrate in true lefty style...we'll show them

I am going to retire!  You guys win!

on Jul 05, 2005

Great Article! Personnally, though I find myself agreeing with just about everything liberals in general believe in, I am finding that as I read more on many of the DNC leaders that I once found myself cheering on, I am now wishing they would all go away,(I'll let you know when this starts working...). I think though a lot of why our party is run by people who I find more and more to my dislike is that they are the loonies who throw every nasty thought they have out and in that are the ones who are known, overlooking quiter more moderate and rational voices like Salazar, Obama and Lieberman who would be much better suited for the positions. I'm sure though that the Centralists and Liberals will in time look at the alarm clock and wake up...
"give me a reason why you disagree and let's discuss it."
Like dude, where's the fun in like "agreeing"?(Ha-ha-ha[once again sorry for the sarcasm]

That shows a lot of growth on yoru part.  You may still be lilberal, but a very rational and clear thinking one.  I have not read a lot of your stuff, but if forced, I would put you in the liberal area with kingbee and thatoneguyinslc.

Post some more so we can disagree.

on Jul 05, 2005
Great article Dr. Guy!
Usually I avoid politics for two reasons, 1. I'm outta my league as I know so very little about it, and
2. I've lost my naive trust in politicans.
Having said that I'd have to place myself somewhere between a Central Liberal and a typical Liberal.
I don't believe in name calling, hatred, calling soldiers baby killers...
I do believe in ProChoice for women, protecting the enviroment, having $$ for children for special education needs.
Your blogs, like this one, fuel my curiousity about politics and dang it, now I wanna learn about it!
P.S.
Neocons is a shortened version for neoconservatives in current American politics. The term is normally used by those who oppose them.
This is basically "greek" to me~~~, see how much I have to learn!!!
on Jul 05, 2005

Usually I avoid politics for two reasons, 1. I'm outta my league as I know so very little about it, and
2. I've lost my naive trust in politicans.

I noticed you shying away from Politics and that is fine.  I really only categorized those that post on the subject, and did not try to figure out where the rest fit.  But you can be left center or liberal as long as you are not part of the loony left!

on Jul 06, 2005
I'm a liberal! I'm a liberal! I'm a liberal!
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