Durbin Squirmin

Typical leftist lies

Published on June 17, 2005 By Dr Guy In Politics

In what can only be described as a squirmin Durbin, Dick the dick head Durbin is trying to say that he was only reading from an FBI memo.

Problem is, the memo he quoted from has nothing of what he said, and indeed nothing of what he alleged.

No reference to Pol Pot, No reference to Stalin, no Reference to Hitler.

But he made them. And now he is trying to squirmin his way out of his recorded (Note for the Bloggers: not a blog recorded) statements.

And therein lies the problem. His statements are on the congressional RECORD. Not a blog. Not Fox News, not World Net daily.

A RECORD.

And he was dead wrong, he is dead wrong and he will be dead wrong.

Ok, that is old news. many have blogged (read: opinionated) on that. But now comes the kicker.

The democrat party leadership will not distance themselves from it! No! They are embracing it!

So the democrat leadership thinks our soldiers are 'soldaten'. Religious followers of not only nazis (who are supposed to be right wing but in actual fact are left wing), but also The worst of the communist which there is no question is leftist!

Did he attack Bush (as is the favorite, albeit idiotic target of the left)? No! he attacked you brother, sister, uncle and father! calling them the worst of the worst and the scum of the scum and the democrat leadership is endorsing him!

I have but one question to ask you on the left. Do you hate Bush so much that you will stand for this crap? Is your hate so deep that you cant even reputidate an idiot that agrees with you?

How do you expect any sane person to agree with you when you insult their family for doing what they are ordered to do!

have you gone so far in your hatred that now you hate anyone that is just doing their job as ordered?

And before you give me the Nazi example, please provide your own example of how they are being nazis.

pathetic.

And you know what is more pathetic? None on the left will even respond. Silence is their answer. Slurs by proxy is their weapon.

Comments

Dr Guy

on Jun 17, 2005

Blip

Island Dog

on Jun 17, 2005

I still want to know how people say there is no liberal media when the media is not covering this story.

Dr Guy

on Jun 17, 2005

still want to know how people say there is no liberal media when the media is not covering this story.

Selective amnesia. Just Ask them!

But to the cogent, it is called clueless.

shadesofgrey

on Jun 17, 2005

Dr. Guy:

I think that you are misrepresenting what Senator Durbin said on the floor yesterday. He did not say that the comment about Pol Pot was in the FBI report--he said he read the graphic report in full, and then queried whether or not those actions sounded like the actions of a Nazi or Soviet regime.

I am going to copy the Senator's floor statement from yesterday here so that others can draw their own conclusion. I am not agreeing with the comparison that the Senator made, but I don't think Durbin was crediting his comparison's to the FBI memo as you state in your blog.

Mr. DURBIN. Mr. President, my staff contacted me to alert me that several of my colleagues had come to the Senate floor to address statements that I made on the floor on June 14, 2005. Those statements related to the treatment of prisoners at Guantanamo. The statement I made involved an FBI report, a report which has been uncontroverted and one which I read into the RECORD in its entirety. I said at the beginning when I read it into the RECORD that I did so with some hesitation because it was so graphic in its nature, but I felt that in fairness, so that the record would be complete, I had to read it.

Because there have been allusions made to statements made by me, I believe it is appropriate to read it again so that my colleagues who may not have reflected on it will have a chance to do so. Let me read this report from an agent of the Federal Bureau of Investigation about the treatment of a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay. I hope my colleagues from Kentucky, Virginia, and other States who are following this debate will listen to this and then listen to what I said in the RECORD afterwards so they understand the context of my remark. It has been nothing short of amazing what some elements of media have done with this remark and what some of my colleagues have drawn from this remark today. So I want to read it in its entirety, if my colleagues have not, and I want them to hear it in its entirety before they reach conclusions as to what was intended.

I quote from the RECORD of June 14, 2005, page S6594 of the Congressional Record:

When you read some of the graphic descriptions of what has occurred here--I almost hesitate to put them in the RECORD, and yet they have to be added to this debate. Let me read to you what one FBI agent saw. And I quote from his report.

This is a quote:

On a couple of occasions--

Let me underline that, on a couple of occasions--

I entered interview rooms to find a detainee chained hand and foot in a fetal position to the floor, with no chair, food or water. Most times they urinated or defecated on themselves, and had been left there for 18-24 hours or more. On one occasion, the air conditioning had been turned down so far and the temperature was so cold in the room, that the barefooted detainee was shaking with cold. ..... On another occasion, the [air conditioner] had been turned off, making the temperature in the unventilated room well over 100 degrees. The detainee was almost unconscious on the floor, with a pile of hair next to him. He had apparently been literally pulling his hair out throughout the night. On another occasion, not only was the temperature unbearably hot, but extremely loud rap music was being played in the room, and had been since the day before, with the detainee chained hand and foot in the fetal position on the tile floor.

And then I said:

If I read this to you and did not tell you that it was an FBI agent describing what Americans had done to prisoners in their control, you would most certainly believe this must have been done by Nazis, Soviets in their gulags, or some mad regime--Pol Pot or others--that had no concern for human beings. Sadly, that is not the case. This was the action of Americans in the treatment of their prisoners.

I have heard my colleagues and others in the press suggest that I have said our soldiers could be compared to Nazis. I would say to the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, I do not even know whether the interrogator involved was an American soldier. I did not say that at any point. To suggest that I am criticizing American servicemen--I am not. I do not know who was responsible for this, but the FBI agent made this report. To suggest that I was attributing all of the sins and all the horrors and barbarism of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Republic or Pol Pot to Americans is totally unfair. I was attributing this form of interrogation to repressive regimes such as those that I noted.

I honestly believe that the Senator from Virginia, whom I respect very much, would have to say, if this, indeed, occurred, it does not represent American values. It does not represent what our country stands for. It is not the sort of conduct we would ever condone. I would hope the Senator from Virginia would agree with that. That was the point I was making.

Now, sadly, we have a situation where some in the rightwing media have said that I have been insulting men and women in uniform. Nothing could be further from the truth. I respect our men and women in uniform. I have spent many hours, as I am sure the Senator from Virginia has, at funerals of the servicemen who have been returned from Iraq and Afghanistan, writing notes to their families, and calling them personally. It breaks my heart every day to pick up the newspaper and hear of another death. The total this morning is 1,710. To suggest that this is somehow an insult to the men and women serving in uniform--nothing could be further from the truth.

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It is no credit to them or to our Nation for this sort of conduct to occur or for us to ignore it or in any way, shape, or form to condone it. And understand why we are in this situation. We had a rule of law. We had agreed to the Geneva Conventions. We had agreed to policies relative to torture of prisoners. They were the law of the land. The Bush administration came in after 9/11 and said: We are going to rewrite the rules.

Secretary Rumsfeld, to whom the Senator referred, who visits his office, was party to that conversation about how we were going to treat prisoners differently. When the suggestion was made to this administration to change the rules on interrogation of prisoners, the strongest and loudest dissenter was the Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who came to this administration and said: This is a mistake, to change the rules of interrogation.

Why? Because, he said, when you torture a prisoner you will not get good information. They will say anything to stop the torture. And, second, he said, if we change the rules at this point in our history, sadly it is going to just give solace to our enemy, give them encouragement that somehow the United States is backing away from its traditional values.

Those are not my words. They are a characterization of the words of one of the highest ranking members of the Bush Cabinet, former Secretary of State Colin Powell.

Unfortunately, he was right. That decision by the Bush administration, with the support of Secretary Rumsfeld, led us down a road. I hope that that road does not include any more incidents than the one that has been described here. But to say that the interrogation techniques here are the kind you would expect from a repressive regime, I do not believe is an exaggeration. They certainly do not represent the values of America. They do not represent what you risked your life for, Senator, when you put the uniform on and served our country or when you served as Secretary of the Navy or in your service in the Senate. That doesn't represent the values that you stood for or that any of us should stand for.

That was the point I was making. To say that by drawing any kind of comparison to this outrageous interrogation technique and using the words ``Nazi'' or ``Soviets'' is to demean or diminish all of the horrors created by those regimes is just plain wrong.

I have seen firsthand, as you have too, people who survived that Holocaust. I have visited Yad Vashem, the tribute to the people who died in the Holocaust. I understand that the millions of innocent people killed there far exceed the horror that occurred in Guantanamo. But when you talk about repressive regimes doing things that in history look so bad, I am afraid that this that I described to you falls closer to that category.

drmiler

on Jun 17, 2005

Nope the one not catching it is you! See the bottom quote!

I have heard my colleagues and others in the press suggest that I have said our soldiers could be compared to Nazis. I would say to the chairman of the Armed Services Committee, I do not even know whether the interrogator involved was an American soldier. I did not say that at any point. To suggest that I am criticizing American servicemen--I am not. I do not know who was responsible for this, but the FBI agent made this report. To suggest that I was attributing all of the sins and all the horrors and barbarism of Nazi Germany or the Soviet Republic or Pol Pot to Americans is totally unfair. I was attributing this form of interrogation to repressive regimes such as those that I noted.

Problem is, the memo he quoted from has nothing of what he said, and indeed nothing of what he alleged.

No reference to Pol Pot, No reference to Stalin, no Reference to Hitler.

But he made them. And now he is trying to squirmin his way out of his recorded (Note for the Bloggers: not a blog recorded) statements.

Dr Guy

on Jun 18, 2005

I think that you are misrepresenting what Senator Durbin said on the floor yesterday. He did not say that the comment about Pol Pot was in the FBI report--he said he read the graphic report in full, and then queried whether or not those actions sounded like the actions of a Nazi or Soviet regime.

I am going to copy the Senator's floor statement from yesterday here so that others can draw their own conclusion. I am not agreeing with the comparison that the Senator made, but I don't think Durbin was crediting his comparison's to the FBI memo as you state in your blog.

Sorry Shades. You quoted his squirmin, not his vermin. Of course he is going to try to squirm his way out of it. That is the whole point of this article. He just slandered every service man and woman in this nation, and the silence from the left is deafening.

I keep telling you that as long as the leadership has but a single policy, Hate Bush, they are going to make fools of themselves and any of their followers who try to defend them.

Hate is not a policy or direction. It is a dead end.

Dr Guy

on Jun 18, 2005

Nope the one not catching it is you! See the bottom quote!

Note to posters. If you want to disprove the article, dont argue with the presented facts. Go back to the source.

Thanks doc.

Dr Guy

on Jun 18, 2005

Shades, maybe you want to cleave bugs bunny with these people? I thin kthat thin ice Durbin's supporters are skating on has melted. Good luck skating on water.

ADL to Senator Durbin: Inappropriate Comparison to Nazi Tactics Unacceptable

New York, NY, June 16, 2005 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today called on Senator Richard J. Durbin (D-IL) to repudiate his remarks and apologize to the American people for distorting an important issue, with an inappropriate comparison to Nazi tactics.

In a speech on the Senate floor on June 14th on the situation at Guantanamo Bay he likened American treatment of prisoners to what "must have been done by Nazis... that had no concern for human beings."

Following is the text of the letter:

Dear Senator Durbin:

We write to object to your reference to Nazis in the context of the debate on detainees at Guantanamo Bay on the Senate floor earlier this week.

Whatever your views on the treatment of detainees and alleged excesses at the Guantanamo Bay facility, it is inappropriate and insensitive to suggest that actions by American troops in any way resemble actions taken by Nazis in their treatment of prisoners. Suggesting some kind of equivalence between their interrogation tactics demonstrates a profound lack of understanding about the horrors that Hitler and his regime actually perpetrated.

We urge you to repudiate your remarks and apologize to the American people for distorting an important issue with an inappropriate comparison to Nazi tactics. However heated the debate over issues of the day, we would urge you to refrain from using Holocaust imagery in the future.

Andy Mosity

on Jun 19, 2005

And I'll say it again.

Idiots. Blah blah blah.

Dr Guy

on Jun 19, 2005

And I'll say it again.

Idiots. Blah blah blah.

Remember the 3 fingers. Guess that makes you queen of the idiots.

shadesofgrey

on Jun 20, 2005

Dr. Guy--

Maybe you should re-read my post. This is what I said:

I am not agreeing with the comparison that the Senator made, but I don't think Durbin was crediting his comparison's to the FBI memo as you state in your blog.

Show me where he says that the Pol Pot link came from the report--it doesn't. Even the quote that dr. miler left said that Durbin was attributing, not the FBI.

Shades, maybe you want to cleave bugs bunny with these people? I thin kthat thin ice Durbin's supporters are skating on has melted. Good luck skating on water

Again--I'd ask you to re-read. I clearly state that I didn't agree with Durbin...but nice try.

Dr Guy

on Jun 22, 2005

Maybe you should re-read my post. This is what I said:

I am not agreeing with the comparison that the Senator made, but I don't think Durbin was crediting his comparison's to the FBI memo as you state in your blog.

Show me where he says that the Pol Pot link came from the report--it doesn't. Even the quote that dr. miler left said that Durbin was attributing, not the FBI.

You miss my point. I was not talking about his senate speech directly, but only in the set up to his squirmin. My article was not on his speech as others did that. Mine was on the his attempts at justifying his remarks.

And you will note, I did not say you were one of his supporters, only that his supporters were skating on disappearing ice.

shadesofgrey

on Jun 22, 2005

His justifications came in a speech made on the floor on June 16th (the original speech was made on June 14th)--the June 16th speech is above.

Dr Guy

on Jun 22, 2005

His justifications came in a speech made on the floor on June 16th (the original speech was made on June 14th)--the June 16th speech is above.

His justiffication was lame, and ill conceived. And hence the squirmin part. Even his appology yesterday was lame as he did not appologize for the remarks, just for offending people. He is still sqirmin, like the vermin he is.

I could say that Goebels would be proud of him, but I will not sink to his level.

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