Post Partum Fetus is not a Child

Thus says the ACLU

Published on May 6, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

IN what can only be the logical extension of the devaluation of life exhibited in Gideon MacLiesh's article of using Foster children like lab rats, and declaring that anyone that is incapable of feeding themselves is not worthy of life, the ACLU has now declared that a fetus that has transitioned to the post partum stage is not a person.

In a case in Wyoming, a mother has been charged with Child endangerment after her new born son tested posiive to high levels of Methamphetemine.

IN the words of the article:

Foust was in court for a preliminary hearing on a charge of child endangerment. She was arrested last October shortly after she gave birth to a son after blood tests allegedly showed both Foust and the infant had meth in their bloodstreams.

To which the ACLU responded by stating:

The American Civil Liberties Union has criticized Fremont County Attorney Ed Newell for bringing the case. Foust's attorney, Gordon Ellis, said the law shouldn't apply to Foust because a fetus is not a child.

Thus a brave new world has come to fruition, and a baby is not a baby, just a post partum fetus.

So the next time you see some chacko macing a baby, a crack head boyfriend bashing in a baby's head, just remember, they are not people, they are just post partum fetuses.

Comments (Page 3)

kingbee

on May 08, 2005

I have yet to find anyone who can answer the question, "If a fetus fits the biological definition of being alive, and has DNA consistant with Homo Sapiens (Human Beings), what else can it be but a Human Being).

try going to a bank and getting a loan using an pre-partum calf or a litter of pre-partum fetal piglets as collateral. they fit the biological definition of being alive, they have dna consistent with the species to which they belong. what else can they be but a calf and a litter of pigs?

this may sound specious but there's always a line. you can't exercise an option a day after it expires. you can't contract with a minor who is one day away from majority on the basis of that person being a post-teen adult.

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

"try going to a bank and getting a loan using an pre-partum calf or a litter of pre-partum fetal piglets as collateral."

Granted, you can't count your chickens before they are hatched, but does that mean they aren't chickens? Any child might not make it, but it seems iffy to say that because they aren't 100% assured of survival that it's okay to go on and make sure they don't.

Could you get loans on a whole slew of month old calves? Doubtful. Here's hoping the "collateral" argument doesn't become the standard.

kingbee

on May 09, 2005

Any child might not make it, but it seems iffy to say that because they aren't 100% assured of survival that it's okay to go on and make sure they don't.

the point i'm trying to make is this: status isn't defined by potential. if the law was intended to protect an unborn child, it should state that explicitly. otherwise they're opening the door to judicial interpretation, no?

bakerstreet

on May 09, 2005

And yet civil settlements for wrongful death involving an 80 year old are vastly smaller than those involving a ten year old.

Who's to say the ten year old wouldn't have died before the 80 year old, anyway? Potential must mean a little something legally.

ParaTed2k

on May 09, 2005

it doesn't work backwards. a prepartum fetus is exactly that.

"Post Partum Fetus?" Wait a minute, doesn't that mean a "Neonate?" Are we to the point that a baby is still a fetus even after it is outside the mother?

According to the article linked, the law simply states that it is illegal to give meth to a baby. Whether or not the law applies to a pre-partum fetus is merely a test of interpretation of the law itself. The only thing the republican dominated state senate did was ban meth in babies... Yeah, outrageous! ;~D

Yes, I do castigate the ACLU as often as I can (sometimes I admittedly even go a bit overboard for the situation). There are 2 things that get my dander up just be reading or hearing their names...

The ACLU and HanoiJane..

kingbee

on May 09, 2005

Potential must mean a little something legally.

you may be onto something. imagine the lucrative possibilities and fame awaiting the first attorney to win a huge award for loss of a lifetime of earnings on behalf of potential heirs of a fetus killed in an auto accident.

kingbee

on May 09, 2005

Whether or not the law applies to a pre-partum fetus is merely a test of interpretation of the law itself

yeah but that would require an activist judge. sun don't set on activist judges in wyoming.

There are 2 things that get my dander up just be reading or hearing their names...

you might wanna reassess your priorities?

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

Ugh. Killing babies is just wrong. No matter how you look at it or what you call it.

Well, a good lawyer is going to use any loophole,a nd now apparently a post partum fetus is a loophole.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

by your logic, we're all postpartum feti.

so where do you draw the line?

there is no hard and fast rule for making that determination or for disputing it.

and talk about political correctness. how many of our mothers or grandmothers would be considered horribly unfit by today's standards for pumping us full of nicotine, alcohol and breathing in asbestos?

you're well on the way to creating a new political species: the bleeding heart conservative.

Damn! Coming from you that last one is a compliment!

as for the Line, lets draw it back at least at the partum part. Can we agree on that?

As for out mothers, the drugs you say (other than alcohol) are not in babies blood. And unless an alchy, not detrimental to the baby. meth, crack, etal is.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

Cant they just see that??? Damit.

WOW! I have never seen you upset. It looks like this one everyone is on the same page, just different paragraphs!

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

And to my knowledge it is illegal to kill any of us. So... I'm not following your logic.

He is just trying to draw a new Roe V Wade line, and not having a good (conscious) time doing it.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

Well, if there is anything that would know a brainless mass of tissue, it would be the ACLU, their isn't a brain or human being to be found among their members.

I would have said heart. But to each his own organ.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

I have a friend who did an internship with the Utah chapter of the ACLU. Since he wanted to be a Constitutional Lawyer, he was really excited to work with them. By the time he was finished with the internship he said that "There just isn't enough soap and water in the world to ever feel clean again."

The ACLU is nothing more than a gaggle of lying scum who would use our freedoms as a weapon against us.

After the former statement, I have new found respect for your friend! And the latter is just a redundancy.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

if the legislature of this state intended this law to punish women for providing feti with illegal drugs, why wasnt that spelled out?

instead of castigating the aclu, why don't yall vent your outrage where it belongs--on the republicans in the wyoming state house and state senate who outnumber democrats by 3:1 and 2:1 respectively.

As Parated said, the difference in a fetus and a baby is in the belief of the beholder. But the rub here is that if she had aborted it, she would have, literally, gotten away with murder. She had the baby, and in so doing endangered it. The stupidity is in thinking that a nine month term fetus is still a zygote, andnot a baby. The former belief gets you post partum fetus.

Dr Guy

on May 10, 2005

Great one! Now we are pigs and cows! Cognizance has no meaning, and Peta just won. Your arguments are going farther and farther afield. This case, if the ACLU persues it, is going to set back Roe V Wade 30 years. Because it is going to show the hypocrisy of a 9 month zygote vs a 9 month baby.

But you support your pigs and cows!

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