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Turning the tables on the Naysayers
Published on March 10, 2005 By Dr Guy In Current Events

Much has been written and orated on about Iraq being the next American Vietnam.  Indeed none other than Ted Kennedy have opined that we are in a quagmire in iraq that only in defeat can we extracate ourselves.

Yet with the abondonment of the nuclear Program in Libya, the beginning of the withdrawl of Syrian troops in Lebanon, the scheduling of the first truly democratic elections in Egypt, and the demonstrations for equal rights of women in Kuwait, we see that Iraq is not a quagmire, but a beacon that other country's citizens are starting to look at and raise their voices in protest to tin plated dictators.

That does not even count the sucessful elections in Afghanistan and Iraq.  And how silent the doom and nay sayers have become as their pessimism is not born out, but instead, like so many times in the past, the opposite is actually occurring.

Now the fires of freedom are actually spreading to none other than Vietnam itself.  While I dont see them opening up and having free elections in the near future, there are signs that they are tired of being isolated as one of the handful totalitarian regimes left in the world, and want to take their place among the nations of peace and freedom.

So again the Liberals are wrong, not just in nuance, but by 180 degrees.  Nothing is set in stone, not Syria, Lebanon, Egypt or Libya.  But the crack in the dike is growing, and soon the force of the waters of freedom will no longer be contained.

We can hope.


Comments
on Mar 10, 2005
Your article was well written, but I cannot agree with your points. Democracy doesn't work best for everyone. Right now in Iraq, women are afraid to go out dressed as they please, because religious bigots that had to keep their twisted opinions to themselves when Hussein's secular government was in power now constitute the government, democracy is here and the majority need not be silent any more. The difference is that the majority are so right wing and religious in their views that they'd put even the most American of you to shame.

You only see and choose to believe a highly sanitized fairy tale version of events, which is far from the reality, which is readily available if you choose to do things such as read the blogs of people who live in Baghdad, but then, what would they know?
on Mar 10, 2005

You only see and choose to believe a highly sanitized fairy tale version of events, which is far from the reality, which is readily available if you choose to do things such as read the blogs of people who live in Baghdad, but then, what would they know?

Your response has many errors.  The greatest one is that Democracy is not right for all. So an arbitray brutal dictatorship is better?  Where you can be deprived of life, liberty or possessions based up on a whim of the ruler?

next, in a true democracy, if you dont like the leadership, as many on the left have expressed here in the USA, you are free to leave and find your own eden.  IN a dictatorship, that is punishable by death.

Finally, you make assumptions not in evidence.  HOw do you know I have not read blogs and letters from Iraqi's on the ground in Iraq?  The simple fact is you dont, nor do you provide any.

Simply put, you know not of what you speak.

on Mar 11, 2005
You only see and choose to believe a highly sanitized fairy tale version of events


Interesting that you view favorable assessments of what is evolving in the Middle East as the "highly sanitized fairy tale version." Who's to say yours isn't the "overwrought unrealistic nightmare scenario?" While what is happening there isn't homogeneously wonderful, what happens every day in the US is far from homogeneously good, so I fail to understand your point. The fact is that the weight of stuff piling up on the good side of the scale is growing far faster than the weight of stuff piling up on the bad side. The progress to democracy and individual freedom in the Middle East is going to remain ugly and messy for a long time to come, but that diminishes its importance, and inevitability, not one iota. Even messy progress is better than the brutal satus quo of the last 30 years. There is, for the first time in my lifetime, a little over half a century, genuine hope for a life of peace for the long-suffering inhabitants of civilization's cradle.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Mar 11, 2005
You picked the wrong blogger to cross swords with, Crowley. Let's see you rage and foam your way out of this one.

"Match brains with him, he'll cut you to pieces every time."---Sulu, about Spock, in Star Trek:TOS episode "The Corbomite Maneuver" 1966

on Mar 11, 2005

Even messy progress is better than the brutal satus quo of the last 30 years. There is, for the first time in my lifetime, a little over half a century, genuine hope for a life of peace for the long-suffering inhabitants of civilization's cradle.

I am close behind you in age, and I see hope where I saw none before for the middle east.  One issue the author of the original article made that I did omit was that for the first time since 1948, the despots of the Middle east trying to play the Israeli card failed (Syria tried to blame Israel for the murder of the former prime minister).

That the wool is falling from the eyes of the average citizen there is as hopeful as all the other government moves that I did list.

on Mar 11, 2005

You picked the wrong blogger to cross swords with, Crowley. Let's see you rage and foam your way out of this one.

"Match brains with him, he'll cut you to pieces every time."---Sulu, about Spock, in Star Trek:TOS episode "The Corbomite Maneuver" 1966

I am not sure if you are referring to Daiwa or myself, but I am honored in any event!  Thanks and have a cookie!

on Mar 12, 2005
I have no doubt he meant you, Dr. Guy.

Cheers,
Daiwa
on Mar 13, 2005
I have no doubt he meant you, Dr. Guy.
I am double honored! Thank you both! But it could have easily have been your response as well! I gave you an insightful as I thought you stated it better than I. And in fewer words!