Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.

I once alleged that the environmental movement considered the human species to be a "cancer on the earth".  I was called out for that statement, yet I did not back down.  While, it was fully my opinion, it was based on observed actions, words and deeds of the environmental movement.  Turns out, I was wrong.  it was not my opinion, it is a fact.  Indeed, it is Paul Watson, founder of Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, that has so dubbed man, not only the "AIDS"  (equating man to a virus), but a cancer as well.

“Curing a body of cancer requires radical and invasive therapy, and therefore, curing the biosphere of the human virus will also require a radical and invasive approach,”

As you see, from his words, came my opinion - although at the time I had not read the man.  The debate on Anthropogenic Global Warming Global Climate Change Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming Global Climate Disruption is not about any effect man may or may not have on the changing climate.  No, the proponents have already decided to get rid of man and turn the earth into a garden of Eden.  All ills of the planet are man's fault, and all cures are the eradication of Man.  They want to deprive you of energy (it produces CO2), food (animals produce methane), shelter (they retain heat and use energy), transportation, and clothing (again, it produces both CO2 and methane).  So in effect, they seek to remove all means of man's means of sustaining life.  They are not "anti-poor" as some think (since their policies would tax them out of existence), but simply anti-people.

The irony is that there are so many sheep walking about calling for their own demise - who are just not smart enough to realize they can help their masters with their own death.  For the end means they will be euthanized as well.  Yes, the climate changes, but as yet, no one has even provided any proof it is due to man (as the climate has been changing since the earth was formed).  Man makes his environment more conducive to his progeny, but the Climate Alarmist would have us undo this and simply eradicate man to fix something that has yet to be shown to be a problem.  You cannot throw a frog into a pot of boiling water, but it appears you sure can get man to march off cliffs like lemmings.


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on Jul 25, 2011

myfist0
I would like to know where you get this idea.
The oil is NOT GONE, they used a chemical to make it sink to the bottom but I guess out of sight is out of mind.

No, nature took care of it itself.  Did you not read about the petroleum eating bacteria?  Man did not make it (but he is trying to duplicate it).  Plus is simply breaks down and sinks as well.

myfist0
Labour cost is not the only reason companies are moving overseas, environmental laws are a large cost and headache to these companies that have polluted for years. So lets move this factory somewhere in the third world and poison all the peasants there. Out of sight is out of mind again.

I do not argue that point.  The pendulum has swung too far to one side.  It is long past time for sanity to be restored, but I do not hold out much hope given that congress is in the enviro wackos pocket.

myfist0
It seems to me that now technology is only used to make the few more powerful and the majority have to work more for less.

Got TVs?  Flat screens even?  how about a computer or 2?  Computerized car?  No, it is not being used exclusively for the rich and powerful.  98% of the "poor" in America own at least one TV.  Digital even.  They are not rich.

on Jul 25, 2011

myfist0

Quoting Big Fat Daddy, reply 8 if you don't like my assertion, prove it wrong

LOL. I did research it and you are completely wrong. I also dont need sources to tell when something smells like BS that it is BS.

Not according to most scientific papers published on the issue. Interesting reads.  Some are behind paywalls however.

on Jul 25, 2011

On this topic,  one of our presidential candidates, Rick Santorum, said  it's "patently absurd" that man is responsible for climate change.

Also Pope Benedict said that Human Ecology is 1st Priority

Work for Environment Should Emphasize Importance of Humanity

VATICAN CITY, MARCH 11, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says the "groaning of creation" is being caused in part by men's pride, but work for the environment must give first priority to "human ecology."

The Pope said this in a message to the bishops of Brazil in support of their annual Lenten campaign. This year the campaign is focused on fraternity and life on the planet.

The Feb. 16 message, addressed to the president of the National Conference of Bishops of Brazil, Archbishop Geraldo Lyrio Rocha of Mariana, said the first step for establishing a correct relationship with the world is recognizing our condition as creatures.

"[M]an is not God, but his image," the Holy Father affirmed, "that is why he must try to be more sensitive to the presence of God in what surrounds him: in all creatures and, especially, in the human person in whom there is a certain epiphany of God."

The Pope proposed that man's respect for creatures hinges on a "full sense of life," lest he be led "to contempt for himself and for what surrounds him."

"That is why the first ecology that must be defended is 'human ecology,'" Benedict XVI stated. "That is, without a clear defense of human life, from its conception to its natural death, without a defense of the family based on marriage between a man and a woman, without a real defense of those who are excluded and marginalized by society, without forgetting in this context those who lose everything, victims of natural disasters, there can never be talk of a genuine defense of the environment."

The Pope concluded with the reminder that man's duty to care for the environment is "an imperative that stems from the awareness that God entrusts his creation to man, not so that he can exercise over it an arbitrary dominion, but to preserve and care for it, as a son takes care of his father's inheritance."

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on Jul 26, 2011

Dr Guy
Quoting Big Fat Daddy, reply 8 if you don't like my assertion, prove it wrongLOL. I did research it and you are completely wrong. I also dont need sources to tell when something smells like BS that it is BS.

Saying "Ninny ninny booboo" is not research.  There is plenty of scientific (not political opinion) information on this subject, lots of it has been cited already.  Maybe the BS you are smelling is a little closer to home than you are willing to admit.

on Jul 27, 2011

Big Fat Daddy
Saying "Ninny ninny booboo" is not research. There is plenty of scientific (not political opinion) information on this subject, lots of it has been cited already. Maybe the BS you are smelling is a little closer to home than you are willing to admit.

The new quoting system looks like I was saying and you are responding to me.  I understand the comment is directed at myFist0.

Those who claim man is destroying the world have models on their side.  Those who say man is not have history and observation on theirs.  When models do not work, they are not models, but material for the latest irwin Allen Film.

on Jul 28, 2011

Sorry 'bout that, Doc.  Yeah it was directed to the fellow you quoted, I should have gone farther up and quoted him directly but I's lazy.  There are no clear indications that anything man does or could do will have any lasting detrimental affect on the earth.  Sorry folks, computer models are programs created by "researchers" who have an agenda...mainly to keep the grants coming in so they can keep their jobs.  There is a better chance that we (mankind) will wipe ourselves out through some nuclear exchange or virus run amok.  And when we are gone, MamaEarth will keep on keepin' on.  Good article, Doc.

on Jul 28, 2011

Big Fat Daddy
I should have gone farther up and quoted him directly but I's lazy.

I use to do that all the time - until they changed it and I realized it was putting the name in the quote!  Oi!  Make things harder now!

 

Big Fat Daddy
There is a better chance that we (mankind) will wipe ourselves out through some nuclear exchange or virus run amok. And when we are gone, MamaEarth will keep on keepin' on.

Once people understand that very fact, most of them will stop supporting these whackos since their sole goal is the eradication of man.  If they want that, they only have to start a nuke war.  Sure, some animals will die, but without man, they will come back stronger than ever.

 

on Jul 28, 2011

Big Fat Daddy
There is a better chance that we (mankind) will wipe ourselves out through some nuclear exchange or virus run amok. And when we are gone, MamaEarth will keep on keepin' on. Good article, Doc.

Dr Guy
Once people understand that very fact, most of them will stop supporting these whackos since their sole goal is the eradication of man. If they want that, they only have to start a nuke war.

C'mon you two, forget the nukes, it's all about reducing the global birthrate, stupid!

The radical environmentalists are linked arm in arm with the population controllers running the UN "we love the earth more than people" show.

Their greatest desire is to reduce human capital. 

Working together with Planned Parenthood types, they are, with our tax monies, in the business of sterilization, contraception and abortion which destroys incredible amounts of human capital, in the USA, roughly equivalent to nuking a mid size city each year.

 

on Jul 28, 2011

Lula:  Can't argue with that at all.

on Jul 29, 2011

lulapilgrim
C'mon you two, forget the nukes, it's all about reducing the global birthrate, stupid!

No, it is about eliminating man.  A means to that end is reducing birthrates, but it is just one plank in the platform.

on Aug 16, 2011

When the whole earth becomes one dessicated Easter Island man/woman will realise the absolute mistake of living a lifestyle based on competition, instant gratification and unsustained use of natural resources. By then it wille too late.

on Aug 16, 2011

OK.  Right.  Got that, Bahu.  Thanks for the tip.

'Scuse me for leavin' early, but I got more work to do on my moai.

on Aug 17, 2011

Bahu Virupaksha
When the whole earth becomes one dessicated Easter Island man/woman will realise the absolute mistake of living a lifestyle based on competition, instant gratification and unsustained use of natural resources. By then it wille too late.

Except man has already cleaned up his act.  The US is less polluted than most developing nations, and almost all of the developed nations.  Why?  How?  Because you can do a lot with technology and common sense.  However when you kill all the people, you kill all the technology, and no more help!  just think of those paradises in Somalia after all!

The mistake is not living a life based upon competition.  It allows you to write your idiocy after all.  The mistake is not instant gratification.  After all, life has been extended and quality improved (at the same time improving the earth).  The mistake is listening to a bunch of genocidal maniacs who sole purpose is the eradication of all life.  if there is a cancer, it is them.  for their thoughts and actions are malignant, and that is what a cancer is.

on Aug 17, 2011

'Scuse me for leavin' early, but I got more work to do on my moai.

Yea, in about 100 years, it will be ready when you live like the makers did.

on Aug 17, 2011

Bahu Virupaksha
When the whole earth becomes one dessicated Easter Island man/woman will realise the absolute mistake of living a lifestyle based on competition, instant gratification and unsustained use of natural resources. By then it wille too late.

Bahu,

to this, I'll offer something that Pope Benedict said in March of this year. I think he puts in it the best perspective and offers the best solution.

"Human Ecology" Is 1st Priority, Says Pontiff
Work for Environment Should Emphasize Importance of Humanity

VATICAN CITY, MARCH 11, 2011 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI says the "groaning of creation" is being caused in part by men's pride, but work for the environment must give first priority to "human ecology."

The Pope said this in a message to the bishops of Brazil in support of their annual Lenten campaign. This year the campaign is focused on fraternity and life on the planet.

The Feb. 16 message, addressed to the president of the National Conference of Bishops of Brazil, Archbishop Geraldo Lyrio Rocha of Mariana, said the first step for establishing a correct relationship with the world is recognizing our condition as creatures.

"[M]an is not God, but his image," the Holy Father affirmed, "that is why he must try to be more sensitive to the presence of God in what surrounds him: in all creatures and, especially, in the human person in whom there is a certain epiphany of God."

The Pope proposed that man's respect for creatures hinges on a "full sense of life," lest he be led "to contempt for himself and for what surrounds him."

"That is why the first ecology that must be defended is 'human ecology,'" Benedict XVI stated. "That is, without a clear defense of human life, from its conception to its natural death, without a defense of the family based on marriage between a man and a woman, without a real defense of those who are excluded and marginalized by society, without forgetting in this context those who lose everything, victims of natural disasters, there can never be talk of a genuine defense of the environment."

The Pope concluded with the reminder that man's duty to care for the environment is "an imperative that stems from the awareness that God entrusts his creation to man, not so that he can exercise over it an arbitrary dominion, but to preserve and care for it, as a son takes care of his father's inheritance."

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