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Published on May 23, 2011 By Dr Guy In Politics

I heard about Obama's Israel speech, but had not listened to it (do not worry, I rarely listen to speeches by either party).  But one thing bugged me when I heard the sound bites.  I heard the word "contiguous".  But no one was talking about it (right or left).  I finally read an article quoting that part of the speech:

The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their full potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

For the uninformed, or just plain ignorant of geography, that sounds like a good thing "Yea, Yea, That's the ticket!".  However to anyone who has even done a modicum of reading on the whole Mid-East issue, that should have sounded alarm bells.  For simply put, Gaza is on the opposite side of Israel.  Ensuring a "contiguous" Palestinian nation would effectively ensure that Israel would not be contiguous!  It would split it in 2.

With the level of world geographic education in the US being what it is, I can understand most not picking up on that problem.  Even for most of the Mainstream Media (since copy writing does not require much of an education and copying DNC talking points is all they do).  But for the "Smartest" man in the world to make such a bone head blunder?  He is either very stupid - or he wants to split Israel in 2. 

And this was the clown that was against interfering in the internal affairs (Iraq) of other nations?


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on Jun 01, 2011

Note that there were Jewish population centres other than Jerusalem. Safed was a major Jewish town and so was Tiberias.

on Jun 01, 2011

Also note that I don't know if the UN map is correct. The Arabs have more votes in the UN than the Jews and it shows. I assume the division into "Zionist" and "Palestinian" rather than "Jew" and "Arab" is part of the game.

I just think that the facts the UN used are probably correct, which means that the map is correct regarding the information it gives us (how much land was owned by Zionist organisations) but it doesn't tell us how much of the "Palestinian" land is owned by Arabs or by Jews.

on Jun 01, 2011

Leauki
How do I know how Israeli Druze think? Everybody in Israel knows them as majority patriotic model citizens. Israel's most hawkish politicians are Druze.

Show me a source that states

Leauki
And most Druze politicians are more Zionist than most Zionist Jews.

I have no doubt that the Druze are loyal citizens just as many other non-Jewish people are to Isreal but that above statement is over the top.

myfist0

Balad party MK Said Naffa'a, by contrast, contends that the Druze are really Arabs, and their connection is one not "determined by Zionist party politicians or Herzl. The gamble on the Zionist parties was a failure as can be seen from the difficult situation of the community," he said. Naffa'a added that "Ideological voting only exists in our case – that is, in the Arab parties."http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/129717

and the only part you can focus on is the Golan Heights population quote which I think shows that while Druze politicians might represent Druze where you live but do not reflect the Druze people as a whole. Then I showed an article of why the GH Druze might not want citizenship which is quite understandable being stuck between a rock and a hard place. Then let's talk about the Druze in Lebanon.

So again I will ask for sources and not fairy tales.

 

My views on the subject are very easy to see, just look at the work of Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein. If the Jewish people really want someone to debate these 2 icons you need to do a lot better than that boob Alan Dershowitz. C'mon, the Jewish people are among the smartest and influential people on the planet and Dershowitch is the best they can come up with to go against Finklestein and Chomsky? Its like throwing rocks at a tank   . Jon Stuart or Woody Allen would do better.

 

 

 

That map is interesting, I think I found the U.N. published map http://domino.un.org/maps/m0094.jpg which is basically the same accept colour.

Still does not show what the U.N. allocated (for lack of a better word), then what was gained (when the IDF kicked Arab ass, I was impressed) and what the lines are now.

I can't find anything on public or Rothschild land on the web yet but I am not far from a library. It will be interesting to see. In England and Canada it is well known to be Crown Land all owned by some old bitch across the pond. The amount of Crown Land in Canada is almost the size of the United States. How about all the Jews come to Canada, we will give you Alaska.   JK. If you really want to hear a crass biased opinion just get me talking about the royal family and the dumbass Canadians that wet there pants when they come here. Canadians need to alleviate ourselves of this oppression. Someone asked what relevance the Queen has in Canada and I threw together https://forums.joeuser.com/408869/get;2942041

  

 

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