Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me.
Eventually
Published on February 16, 2011 By Dr Guy In Politics

Obama has proposed a budget and deficit reduction plan that would save $1.1 trillion over 10 years.  The senate, run by a democrat has proposed one that would save $00 billion over 10 years.  Both are just an example of newspeak as neither saves anything.  They spend out the wazoo.

To put it in perspective, we are running a $1.5 trillion dollar deficit PER Year.  So these grandiose (/sarc) plans are basically cutting less than 10% on a budget that is bloated beyond control.  Just 10 years ago, W Bush was vilified for daring to propose a budget that {SHOCK} had a $400 billion deficit.  As little as 4 years ago (some may remember this was the ascendancy of the Democrat controlled congress - who by constitution authority have the purse strings) the deficits were in the "few hundred billion" dollar range.  What both the Senate and the President fail to realize is that doing business as usual is just not acceptable.  At least not if they plan on this country continuing as a viable entity into the future.

The House republicans are not much better.  The latest Boehner plan calls for a reduction of $2.5 trillion over 10 years.  While that at least breaches the 10% mark, it is far from adequate as it would balloon the debt by another 12-14 trillion dollars in the same period.

All fail to realize that we are broke.  And while I am sure there are going to be screams of outrage when things are cut, the simple truth is that we have no money to spend.  Congress and the president have to first, roll the budget back to 2006 levels.  Period.  With a few notable exceptions (such as California and Illinois) all the states have done that.

from the 2006 level, they can then start cutting.  That would eliminate all the extra fluff that Obama has asked for and been given over the last 2 years.  But then the democrats in congress did promise to cut a dollar for each dollar they spent (but then when has a politician ever told the truth?).  Of course that was a lie.

Honesty in government can start now.  it probably will not.  But the first honest thing they can say is "We are cutting $1 trillion from the budget THIS YEAR" and then do it.  Not a cut in spending increases, a cut in SPENDING.

I seriously doubt it will happen, and that does sadden me.  A once great nation is headed down a path of irrelevancy due to malfeasance and incompetence on the part of our elected officials.  The TEA Party has the right idea, but they have 2 things working against them.  Time and a media so incompetent and corrupt that they would rather be the mouthpiece of special interests instead of a reporter of actual facts.

Change has to come now.  And not the change of trillions of wasted dollars that Obama delivered.  Basic change, or the result will be that no one gets anything.


Comments
on Feb 17, 2011

            I am disappointed with the general acceptance of and vocalizations like “All fail to realize that we are broke” or “I wonder why Obama did this or that … what was he thinking?” or “I’m from the government and I am here to help you”. Speaking for myself, I know why … and you should too.

            Money is not really the issue at hand anyway (per se), regardless of the fact that everyone is keyed in with it. It is power and control … as the money situation will take care of itself and no matter how things play out from here; we the people will still be on the short end of the deal. It will take at least 2 years before we can begin in earnest … if we maintain our resolve and if the House can limit further destruction.

Devil’s advocate here: “… due to malfeasance and incompetence on the part of our elected officials” … seems to overlook the fact that WE elected them and seemingly WE are want to keep re-electing them. And we are counting on these same people (voters) to change … how? It seems like we always talk about getting rid of the scoundrels … I started voting nay 45 years ago … I would like to think most of us have … and here we are doing the same things year after year and socialism just keeps marching on …

            Tea Parties and such seem like the our only hope left. A lot of pennies here and there will accomplish little if we continue to avoid the real financial boondoggles plaguing us ... which we sadly aren’t.

on Feb 17, 2011

BoobzTwo
            I am disappointed with the general acceptance of and vocalizations like “All fail to realize that we are broke” or “I wonder why Obama did this or that … what was he thinking?” or “I’m from the government and I am here to help you”. Speaking for myself, I know why … and you should too.

The "All" in that statement referred to the ones enumerated in preceding paragraphs.  Not "all" as in everyone.

BoobzTwo
Money is not really the issue at hand anyway (per se), regardless of the fact that everyone is keyed in with it. It is power and control … as the money situation will take care of itself and no matter how things play out from here; we the people will still be on the short end of the deal. It will take at least 2 years before we can begin in earnest … if we maintain our resolve and if the House can limit further destruction.

I agree.  And the money will work itself out - either through responsible acts, or through a meltdown of the US dollar (when it loses all value and instead of talking about 10% being poor - we will be talking about 80-90% due to a worthless currency).

BoobzTwo
Devil’s advocate here: “… due to malfeasance and incompetence on the part of our elected officials” … seems to overlook the fact that WE elected them and seemingly WE are want to keep re-electing them. And we are counting on these same people (voters) to change … how? It seems like we always talk about getting rid of the scoundrels … I started voting nay 45 years ago … I would like to think most of us have … and here we are doing the same things year after year and socialism just keeps marching on …

You are a good devil!  But then your first bugaboo comes back to haunt you (generalizations).  I elected none of them.  In the last 4 years, all my candidates have lost.  Call me Don Quixote.

BoobzTwo
Tea Parties and such seem like the our only hope left. A lot of pennies here and there will accomplish little if we continue to avoid the real financial boondoggles plaguing us ... which we sadly aren’t.

That is why I was not saddened by the defeat of Castle and his like.  I hold out hope for the tea party and its power in politics.  It is our last chance.

on Feb 17, 2011

BoobzTworeply 1 I am disappointed with the general acceptance of and vocalizations like “All fail to realize that we are broke” or “I wonder why Obama did this or that … what was he thinking?” or “I’m from the government and I am here to help you”. Speaking for myself, I know why … and you should too. The "All" in that statement referred to the ones enumerated in preceding paragraphs. Not "all" as in everyone

I knew exactly what you meant doc but I did not want to play this game. Maybe it wasn't the best place for it ... but my only implication was that you cannot blame all of them (your list). I assumed (hoped) you would recognize your own quote and your own reference … guess I was wrong, sorry. I should have known better, but as it never occurred to me to change the scope of your own article, I did not feel the need to be more specific … your game, not mine. A.S.S.U.M.E. LIKE I SAID HAS THE WORST MEANING OF ALL. Not MY problem!

Let's see, you mentioned Obama, House Republicans, Boehner, the Senate (run by Dems) and the Dem controlled congress generally does it for me too so … who else could I have possibly been referring to that would even bring up this silliness?

 

You are a good devil! But then your first bugaboo comes back to haunt you (generalizations). I elected none of them. In the last 4 years, all my candidates have lost. Call me Don Quixote.

You continue to plague me with this generalization garbage; this is your game not mine. Is life that boring? If I decide to say use the term “American Imperialism” (or any other), are you trying to tell me that I am supposed to read your mind and decide that you have a VERY specific definition and that there is no possible alternative … period … how foolish of me. Then after you referred to me as an idiot and demanded I hop to your demands … so frustration aside, I tried to explain but your ears (brain) were not engaged. And just because I am tired of this garbage I would tell you to get this chip off your shoulder. I have done a lot of research and I still have not found any correlation between American Imperialism and your very specific definition of the “denunciation of America” so if you do not want to stop playing games like this, just tell me WHERE you found ANY correlation … and then you will have to convince me that I have to accept it … which I do not.

You want to talk RELIGION … then bring it on or shut up and grow up some too, while you are at it. You are better than this petty trash so act like it … like you used to. If you want to play word games, play theme with someone else.

 

 

 

on Feb 17, 2011

Sorry Doc, but I do not play games because I do not like to. If I say something you do not like or agree with, it is real simple to state your case without being combative and disrespectful and it would help if you were a little more flexible and considerate of the ‘opinions’ we all are entitled to … and if you tried to understand a miscommunication. I am just giving my views on the discussion at hand … no more and no less.

And unlike the vampires, I do not care if you agree with me or not, but I do not LIE and I do not wish to indoctrinate the world in anything. If I am wrong then prove it and stop the nonsense, I have never said I had any of the answers to anything … just that I will not have them dictated to me by someone else, real or imaginary.

on Feb 18, 2011

You continue to plague me with this generalization garbage; this is your game not mine. Is life that boring? If I decide to say use the term “American Imperialism” (or any other), are you trying to tell me that I am supposed to read your mind and decide that you have a VERY specific definition and that there is no possible alternative … period … how foolish of me. Then after you referred to me as an idiot and demanded I hop to your demands … so frustration aside, I tried to explain but your ears (brain) were not engaged. And just because I am tired of this garbage I would tell you to get this chip off your shoulder. I have done a lot of research and I still have not found any correlation between American Imperialism and your very specific definition of the “denunciation of America” so if you do not want to stop playing games like this, just tell me WHERE you found ANY correlation … and then you will have to convince me that I have to accept it … which I do not.

No, you do not have to be a mind reader.  I asked for specifics when you used the term.  So that we would both be clear on what each meant.  Your examples, given after a lot of evasion, were not of imperialism.  Leauki brought up a good point.  There are examples of American Imperialism, but all were before the 20th century.  However, you did not even jump on that technicality, and so I continued to hit the point.

As for the generalizations, yes, I still hate them.  Thank you for clarifying you did understand what I meant by the all, and I will stand by my generalization there.  I did not say "every single member" of the house or senate. But the bodies themselves with the all.  Catching me in a generalization will get a Mea Culpa for that fact.  However, my use of the word all was qualified by the list given previously.  That you apparently took that to mean "all individuals" of the institutions was possibly a fault of mine for not being clear I was talking about the institutions,  not each single member of them.  To refer to the members, I would have added qualifiers of "almost all" or even "as a rule", although I prefer not to use the latter when ti comes to people.

You want to talk RELIGION … then bring it on or shut up and grow up some too, while you are at it. You are better than this petty trash so act like it … like you used to. If you want to play word games, play theme with someone else.

I do not recall talking about religion here.  I introduced it on one of your blogs.  I explained why as well (not to bring up beliefs, but only to paint religious people with the brush I was using).

If you want to discuss religion, go right ahead.  But I shall ignore it.

on Feb 18, 2011

BoobzTwo
Sorry Doc, but I do not play games because I do not like to. If I say something you do not like or agree with, it is real simple to state your case without being combative and disrespectful and it would help if you were a little more flexible and considerate of the ‘opinions’ we all are entitled to … and if you tried to understand a miscommunication. I am just giving my views on the discussion at hand … no more and no less.

And unlike the vampires, I do not care if you agree with me or not, but I do not LIE and I do not wish to indoctrinate the world in anything. If I am wrong then prove it and stop the nonsense, I have never said I had any of the answers to anything … just that I will not have them dictated to me by someone else, real or imaginary.

If you chose to vent your frustration with me from the comments I have made on your blogs, it would be best to then point them out and make the above statement.  However, I fail to see how any of the above applies to my replies here.

on Feb 18, 2011

[quote]As I see it, what is transpiring in Egypt is a direct result of American Imperialism as we have a nasty history of backing dictators around the world … and the results will be the same here. [quote]

No, you do not have to be a mind reader. (1) I asked for specifics when you used the term. So that we would both be clear on what each meant. (2) Your examples, given after a lot of evasion, were not of imperialism. Leauki brought up a good point. (3) There are examples of American Imperialism, but all were before the 20th century. (4) However, you did not even jump on that technicality, and so I continued to hit the point.

1. I gave specifics in the original statement as far as I was concerned ... they were not really that big or complicated a words so I didnot understand how anyone could have misunderstood. I was perfectly clear, it was YOU that refused to supply Your definition.

2. My evasion was a total disconnect from whatever you had a problem with which you kept describing as "Americam Imperialism" but wasn't at all what you were looking for . 

3. What time constraints did you read in my sentence that I was also supposed to adhere to also and if you are at least willing to agree with the fact at all that the term "American Imperialism" is a valid term ... what was all this trash about other than you wanted to dictate all the definitions leaving me to guess?

Evasions my arse. Without knowing what you demanded, I did my honest best to impress on you that I did NOT mean anything more nefarious than American intervention in the affairs of another Nation and not in the best interests of that Nation … American Imperialism … no more and no less. Go figure.

If you chose to vent your frustration with me from the comments I have made on your blogs, it would be best to then point them out and make the above statement. However, I fail to see how any of the above applies to my replies here.

The only thing I wanted from you was just a little respect … and to stop playing word games. Seems that was just too much to ask for. And as evidenced by all this absolute stupidity, it doesn’t matter what I point out to you because you either do not care, believe or seemingly acknowledge my responses without all your smug comments.

I wanted to talk about India but noooo … you had other plans and I had no choice. You see Doc, I expect this nonsense from the vampires, and now realize they are capable of nothing else … but I always thought you had your head screwed on pretty tightly and had a hard time realizing you would stoop to their level of games. It is such a shame as we are quite agreeable on things of import … just not word games I guess. Debate, and discuss, just dont Bore me. Doc you are Boring me with this brouhaha.

on Feb 18, 2011

1. I gave specifics in the original statement as far as I was concerned ... they were not really that big or complicated a words so I didnot understand how anyone could have misunderstood. I was perfectly clear, it was YOU that refused to supply Your definition.

You said "was a result of American Imperialism" that is not examples.  I was using the standard definition - in other words a conquering nation.  But my definition was irrelevant to yours since you made the claim.  Again, stating "American Imperialism" is not showing examples.  We have never occupied Egypt or Israel, nor colonized it.

3. What time constraints did you read in my sentence that I was also supposed to adhere to also and if you are at least willing to agree with the fact at all that the term "American Imperialism" is a valid term ... what was all this trash about other than you wanted to dictate all the definitions leaving me to guess?

Go back and read what I wrote.  I never said you put in time constraints, nor did I.

The only thing I wanted from you was just a little respect … and to stop playing word games. Seems that was just too much to ask for. And as evidenced by all this absolute stupidity, it doesn’t matter what I point out to you because you either do not care, believe or seemingly acknowledge my responses without all your smug comments.

I have a great deal of respect for you.  I have not denigrated you nor cursed you.  I like a good spirited debate, but I will not lay down when presented with views I disagree with. 

I do not play word games.  But my soon becoming favorite cliche is "Words mean things".  I say that not because of you, but because of the abuse of the language I see all around me, especially in the original subject of this blog.

And when did you want to talk about India?

And if I bore you, you do not have to comment here, or answer my comments on your blog.

on Apr 30, 2011

Dr Guy
I have a great deal of respect for you. I have not denigrated you nor cursed you. I like a good spirited debate, but I will not lay down when presented with views I disagree with.

Yes Doc, when you branch off with your myriad tangents and silly demands that I respond to all your idiosyncrasies and self-defined words while you dismiss most of what I say out of hand ... yea that bores me to no end.  And when you continuously tell me that I am clueless, uninformed, lying, unable to defend my arguments (to use the nicer terms), etc., I get bored.

It was so kind of you to keep a civil tongue in your head for a change but it just proves that you can … it doesn’t explain why you seldom do it. I try not to go back and read your older posts for the reasons very same as listed above … what would be the point anyway, you would already have decided on war?

And when you take an article or post apart line by line and branch off into those myriad worlds where only you seem to be able to make sense out of, I get aggravated. I write articles (the title usually gives it away) about a particular subject for the simple reason that it is the subject I want to talk about. I do not really care what you want to talk about especially when I am the author. The common term is hijacking I believe.

And when you continuously tell me not to use words that I do not understand (I would pit my vocabulary against yours in a NY minute if there was a good way or reason for it) I get irritable. Follow that with directions on how I have to use a dictionary and what definitions I have to adhere to and how they are to be implemented … well we are fast approaching PMS now.
 
I myself find it difficult over a period of time to remove previous insults; slanders and slurs and whatnots, which were bestowed on me from, say you, to forget them. It is good to hear that you of course do not have this problem. I will believe it though when I actually see it.

As to respect, you and I both know how much regard you hold me in … and my opinions … and my articles … and my comments … and my logic. My whole world revolves around logic and common sense silly boy and just because you disagree, doesn’t make them any less logical or common-sensical. Who are you trying to snow here … me???

Other than that ... I am good to go.