Intollerance on the Left

Would a better understanding help?

Published on December 3, 2004 By Dr Guy In Politics

The link is to an article of some Pro Life Democrats who feel that the Democrat postion is intollerant of their views, and hence has helped to lead to the recent Election Defeats.

I find this view insightful and hopeful. Insightful, because even tho the spokesperson for the DNC deny it,there is clear evidence that democrats do not tolerate Pro Life views in their party.

Hopeful, in that now that democrats are talking about it, maybe they are learning, and can then reach out to those of us that would like to have a real choice in future elections.

I tend to doubt Kristen Day will win her way with the DNC. But every movement has to start somewhere, and that is a good start.

And a final note, I did not say for the democrats to support abortion, just the views of those who are Pro Life.

Comments

iamheather

on Dec 03, 2004

Thank you for the link, Dr. Guy. Very insightful and hopeful that there are ProLife Democrats willing to take a chance and voice their views.

Keep posting. I check your blog daily.

whoman69

on Dec 03, 2004

The Republicans are much the same with Pro Choice within their party. They even campaign against them. Ask Sen. Spector

Dr Guy

on Dec 03, 2004

The Republicans are much the same with Pro Choice within their party. They even campaign against them. Ask Sen. Spector

And you would be wrong. Bush campaigned for Spector. You better quit reading those lefty sites and start reading some news sites.

Besides, Republicans did not lose., Democrats did. Why change a winning hand?

Daniel Ruoss

on Dec 03, 2004

I don't see either side changing their views on abortion anytime soon. The only thing I could see the Democrats doing is maybe giving up on fighting the partial-birth ban. That and maybe taking the view that while they believe abortion should be legal, the number of abortions happening are too many. Then they could promote adoption or other alternatives to terminating life. They would help themselves greatly to tone down their "Abortion on demand" image. It just seems to me that Democrats celebrate abortion as some kind of holy religious rite. You can never get them to admit that when you add everything up abortion is detrimental to women and has negative effects on society.

Dr Guy

on Dec 03, 2004

You get an insightful from me! But that is not what Day wants. She wants to keep her belief and stay in the good graces of the Democrat party. She does not say how, but I suspect your way is a good start.

Daiwa

on Dec 03, 2004

This particular issue (whether you can hold differing views on some issues and still be accepted by your party) cuts both ways. There are many pro-choice Republicans, folks. And many Republicans who don't particularly cotton to being told what or how to think by the evangelical right (or anyone else), or to having anyone's religious beliefs forced upon them as public policy.

I'm for decriminalization of drugs and prostitution and believe no government has any business knowing about, much less regulating or prohibiting, private behavior between consenting adults which harms no one else. Doesn't sound very Republican, does it? But these are fundamentally conservative positions. Just not evangelically conservative positions.

Hmm... that doesn't sound right, does it? Evangelically conservative positions... have to thank myself for that visual.

Cheers,
Daiwa

whoman69

on Dec 04, 2004

don't see either side changing their views on abortion anytime soon. The only thing I could see the Democrats doing is maybe giving up on fighting the partial-birth ban. That and maybe taking the view that while they believe abortion should be legal, the number of abortions happening are too many. Then they could promote adoption or other alternatives to terminating life. They would help themselves greatly to tone down their "Abortion on demand" image. It just seems to me that Democrats celebrate abortion as some kind of holy religious rite. You can never get them to admit that when you add everything up abortion is detrimental to women and has negative effects on society.

The Democrats probably will not give up the partial birth fight unless language is added to allow it in cases where it will save the mother. Frankly, as a Democrat I believe abortion is a losing proposition for us. I would have no problem with banning abortion except in cases of danger to the mother, rape/incest, teenage pregnancy, or if the mother can prove failed contraception. That is not going to happen without the conservative right giving up the strangehold they have over birth control and allow information on sex education. I don't buy the religious right view that information about birth control means that teen will be more likely to have sex. It means that those who are going to have sex will be able to protect themselves, and those who wait will have the information needed to avoid unwanted pregnancy. I personally don't like the idea of abortion as a means of birth control nor do I like the idea of this country going back to back alley abortions.

Dr Guy

on Dec 04, 2004

The Democrats probably will not give up the partial birth fight unless language is added to allow it in cases where it will save the mother.

Oxymoron. PBA is the same as a birth, except they kill the baby. Kind of like insisting that chocolate conatain chocolate if you are going to call it chocolate.

It is stupid to say "protects the mother" as it is birth, and at that point the mother's life is not an issue. just the babies.

iamheather

on Dec 05, 2004

Oxymoron. PBA is the same as a birth, except they kill the baby. Kind of like insisting that chocolate conatain chocolate if you are going to call it chocolate. It is stupid to say "protects the mother" as it is birth, and at that point the mother's life is not an issue. just the babies.

Thank you for clearing that up. PBA will never be "to protec the mother"!

Daiwa

on Dec 06, 2004

I recall reading that the pregnancy rate among teens is down quite a bit, despite widespread sex education and ready access to elective abortion.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Dr Guy

on Dec 06, 2004

I recall reading that the pregnancy rate among teens is down quite a bit, despite widespread sex education and ready access to elective abortion.

I think it is due to something called AIDs and other STDs.

Daiwa

on Dec 06, 2004

Dr. Guy -

More consistent use of condoms is helping, for sure, along with higher rates of abstinence. But I think you missed my point, which is OK.

Cheers,
Daiwa

Dr Guy

on Dec 07, 2004

More consistent use of condoms is helping, for sure, along with higher rates of abstinence. But I think you missed my point, which is OK.

Sorry about that. I did not see the condom use and the connection to the reduction in pregnancy rate.

Besides, one of my children was conceived whilst using one of them, so they are not 100%!

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