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Published on December 5, 2008 By Dr Guy In Politics

Recently, several members of JU have been engaged over the latest hot political topic in the US - The Auto Bailout.  Tis the season as they say, but not the Christmas one.  As it appears every company that now has to struggle is going hat in hand to congress for a bailout.  And the Auto industry is just the latest.

In the discussions that ensued, one of the popular themes was that the only reason the Auto industry was asking for the bail out, and congress - solidly in the democrat (read: American liberals) hands - is entertaining the idea was that going the regular route of Chapter 11 would negate all contracts - and the liberals could not stomach that!

Why you ask?  The whole purpose of Bankruptcy is to get a company time to restructure and come out (hopefully) leaner and meaner and to get rid of contracts written in plenty, but unaffordable in tight times.

Like the UAW contract.  No one has been arguing that the UAW was never needed, or that it was not at one time a good counterweight to large corporations.  But times have changed.  Laws have changed.  And the market has changed.  So much so that the Rust belt is no longer king of auto making in this country, and in areas not dominated by unions, auto makers and employees are making cars and good wages without the animosity and greed that is now associated with Detriot and the UAW.

But all this goes to the point of what a liberal is - and what a conservative is.  American style. 

For indeed, it is the liberals arguing, tooth and nail, for the bail out.  for one reason only. To prevent the elimination of the UAW contract.  A contract that is bloated by the incestous relationship that has developed between the UAW and the Big 3 Auto makers.  Yes, liberals are very conservative (in the dictionary sense) when it comes to unions.  Failing to see that while they were necessary and needed to get us to today, they have long outlived their usefulness and are now not a boon to the industries, but a hindrance.  The Big 3 are in Trouble because they cannot innovate and change.

They are locked into contracts and ways of doing things by a contract with an organization that no longer has their members best interest at heart, but their own retention of a power long ago changed from good to abusive.

And so the big 3 probably will get a bailout.  Probably will be allowed to continue to waste huge sums of money, and products because they are no longer able to grow and adapt. 

Lilke a body that has a sickness, the Auto industry (at least the Big 3) are in trouble.  And if they are not allowed to take the medicine that will cure them, it will only get worse.  Until the time when no bailout will work.  hastening the coming of that day will be the new government controls forced on them by this bailout.  Politicians dont know how to do much other than get elected.  Making cars is not their strong point.  And when they are running auto companies, all they will be offering are Yugos.


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on Dec 05, 2008

Amen

on Dec 05, 2008

It is funny to see StevenDedalus arguing like a classical conservative though.  But at least he makes sense most of the time.  I cant say the same for most of the ones trying to argue as he does.

on Dec 05, 2008

I am a liberal opposed to the auto industry bailout.  Just to let you know.  Be well.

on Dec 05, 2008

All I can say with the beating Colleen and I have taken in the stock market, we are applying for a bailout ourselves

on Dec 05, 2008

Moderateman
All I can say with the beating Colleen and I have taken in the stock market, we are applying for a bailout ourselves

 

Well if your not a big donater to the politicans dont count on any money

on Dec 05, 2008

I could use a bailout myself. Maybe they should change the date to send in your taxes so we can get our money back faster.

on Dec 05, 2008

Well if your not a big donater to the politicans dont count on any money

Well, considering politician payroll checks come from tax payers money. I'd say we are the highest political contributors in this country.

on Dec 05, 2008

ok so let me get it straight:

1. Bailout the banks.

2. Bail out home owners who have loans for more then the house is "worth". (by buying it down)

3. Bail out the auto industry...

4. ?

5. Profit?

 

I see a little problem with this plan so far.

on Dec 05, 2008

I am a liberal opposed to the auto industry bailout. Just to let you know. Be well.

There are always exceptions.  But writing an article with endless qualifiers gets monotonous.

on Dec 05, 2008

All I can say with the beating Colleen and I have taken in the stock market, we are applying for a bailout ourselves

WE ALL are taking!  But I refuse to burden others because of my decisions.

Mac and Cheese anyone?

on Dec 05, 2008

Maybe they should change the date to send in your taxes so we can get our money back faster.

Fat chance.

on Dec 05, 2008

I'd say we are the highest political contributors in this country.

No. not even close.  Not when Obama can rake in 750 million for one campaign!

on Dec 05, 2008

I see a little problem with this plan so far.

I see a lot of problem with the whole concept!

on Dec 05, 2008

taltamir
ok so let me get it straight:

1. Bailout the banks.

2. Bail out home owners who have loans for more then the house is "worth". (by buying it down)

3. Bail out the auto industry...

4. ?

5. Profit?

 

I see a little problem with this plan so far.

 

#2 should be requoted to say

 

"bail out home owners that took on too much without doing simple math"

I mean there are people that truely got screwed.... but a majority are just people that should have not gotten a loan to begin with

on Dec 05, 2008

Dr Guy

All I can say with the beating Colleen and I have taken in the stock market, we are applying for a bailout ourselves
WE ALL are taking!  But I refuse to burden others because of my decisions.

Mac and Cheese anyone?

 

BUT BUT DR.! Didnt you know thats the way to do things now? cry " OOOO MEEE!!!! ITS NOT MY FUALT!" and hold out your hand! those of us that knew better not to buy even though we could , could now bail you out! I mean come on!

 

Hey at least your a man and do the right thing... You took it on and now your accepting the fact that its YOUR RESPOSIBILITY... I give you props on that

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