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Lies, Lies and More lies as long as it furthers your agenda.
Published on October 12, 2004 By Dr Guy In Politics
Well, where was the denizens of truth and justice when Dan Rather did that hack job, fraught with fraud and forgery, on George Bush? Where were the keepers of the flame when Author Kitty Kelley prmoted her book on 3 days on NBC. A book so fraught with lies and half truths that even the purported source of her most scandalous item retracted her support?

Where was the outrage when the lie-amentary from Michael Moore (proven to contain at least 59 falacies and so many half truths as the category of documentary had to be withdrawn) hit the theaters and now coming to PPV near you?

Where? Why trying to stop a true documentary film that is supposed to be aired that just criticicizes, not lies about, John Kerry. The Very DNC, that group for the poor little guy, is now trying to stomp on the little guy.

Sinclair is trying to air a documentary on what other veterans thought and think of Kerry's betrayal of them during the Vietnam war. And they are being threatened by the DNC, 20 Democrat senators, and Kerry's campaign (who threatens to take them down after Kerry's elected), and no Less than Moveon.org (like that is even a surprise or schock from that hate site?).

It would be seriour if it was nost a comedic opera being played out in the media right now! Just get this quote from moveon.org:

The liberal political group MoveOn.org said it will challenge the FCC and the licenses of the local stations that broadcast the partisan film, "because local stations have a responsibility to the community to air real news, not partisan messages," said founder Wes Boyd.


While the polls show a tight race, it is apparent from the shrill screams from the DNC and Kerry Campaign, as well as their willing syncophants in the liberal media, that something is not right with the Kerry Campaign. When a campaign only shows fear and threats, they know something we dont. And that something seems to be Kerry is losing, and losing big.

They are living in a glass house, and dont even know to pull the curtains when they take a dump.

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on Oct 13, 2004
Sinclair has it's right to Freedom of Speech just like anybody else, personally Kerry Camp guys are turning into anti-Free speech people.

Though some will argue that Moore is not getting on public tv, but that is once again the TV Broadcasters exercising their Freedom of speech by not playing it.

- Grim X

There back on Topic,
on Oct 14, 2004
Is there any way to treat those pinched nerves or are they in the same boat as a herniated disc that screws with nerves in the back (inoperable and the person has to live with it)?


First, they dont hurt. I just lose strenght in my hands and dexterity in my fingers (the outer 2). Second, yes I have had one operation, and probably have the second early next year. But once the damage is done, it cant be undone.

So I guess I am lucky! No pain, is no Pain as I say! !

As a "Did you know", Carpal tunnel affects the index and middle finger. Pinched nerves affect the ring finger and the pinkie. I am glad I dont have both CT and a Pinched nerve!
on Oct 14, 2004
Depends on where it's pinched at. Ones pinched in the elbow can be fixed with surgery. I've had to have both sides done. What they do is to move the nerve out of the channel in the elbow that is pinching it. Not a pleasant recovery either. Think about it. If your ridht handed and that's the side being worked on just who is going to wipe your butt for you? Especially since you can't bend the arm that was worked on.


DR, very true and that is where mine were/are pinched. But I never got full use back of my outside fingers. Did you? I may have waited too long tho. I hate doctors (Name not withstanding).
on Oct 14, 2004
Two things:

(1) Personally, I think that Sinclair has the right to force their stations to show this anti-Kerry propaganda. The problem with American media isn't that media outlets are too partisan, but that the Left hasn't built up a infrastructure of partisan media that mirrors right wing talk radio and Fox News. Air America Radio is changing that on the talk show front, and my guess is that by 2008 there will be an openly liberal news network.

(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.
on Oct 14, 2004
Reply #18 By: Dr. Guy - 10/14/2004 10:17:52 AM
Depends on where it's pinched at. Ones pinched in the elbow can be fixed with surgery. I've had to have both sides done. What they do is to move the nerve out of the channel in the elbow that is pinching it. Not a pleasant recovery either. Think about it. If your ridht handed and that's the side being worked on just who is going to wipe your butt for you? Especially since you can't bend the arm that was worked on.


DR, very true and that is where mine were/are pinched. But I never got full use back of my outside fingers. Did you? I may have waited too long tho. I hate doctors (Name not withstanding).


I really couldn't tell you one way or the other. I also suffer from MS which can wreak all kinds of havoc with the central nervous system. but to be honest I never really lost function in my hands to start with. Just general numbness in the hand along with some localized pain.
on Oct 14, 2004
(1) Personally, I think that Sinclair has the right to force their stations to show this anti-Kerry propaganda. The problem with American media isn't that media outlets are too partisan, but that the Left hasn't built up a infrastructure of partisan media that mirrors right wing talk radio and Fox News. Air America Radio is changing that on the talk show front, and my guess is that by 2008 there will be an openly liberal news network.

(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.


1. No, even Businesses should have their freedom of speech and Sinclair owns those stations.

2. No, Freedom of Speech once again trumps personal prejudice, plus if Moore was able to get his show on TV Networks like CBS, ABC, or NBC they would force down the throat of all their little stations much like you accuse Sinclair of doing, but even than still Freedom of Speech and the stations could refuse to play it. Plus since when does a Network have to listen to what a Station tells them, hmm? Station just usually goes along with the flow and does what the Network tells them to do.

- Grim X
'Freedom of Speech' Lover
Go Badnarik Go!!
on Oct 14, 2004
1. No, even Businesses should have their freedom of speech and Sinclair owns those stations.

2. No, Freedom of Speech once again trumps personal prejudice, plus if Moore was able to get his show on TV Networks like CBS, ABC, or NBC they would force down the throat of all their little stations much like you accuse Sinclair of doing, but even than still Freedom of Speech and the stations could refuse to play it. Plus since when does a Network have to listen to what a Station tells them, hmm? Station just usually goes along with the flow and does what the Network tells them to do.
Hey Grim,

1. Didn't you just say the thing I did? I don't see any disagreement, so why the "no"?

2. Once again, I don't see how you're disagreeing with me, unless your point is that you wouldn't hit the roof. But you're not even a Bush supporter, are you? So that doesn't contradict what I said.

Did I misunderstand you?
on Oct 14, 2004
Nope, just getting the two cents in.
on Oct 15, 2004
(2) If an owner of a large number of stations was forcing all the stations to show "Fahrenheit 9/11", you Bush supporters would be hitting the roof. Honestly, it's bull if you claim you wouldn't be.


No, just the truth. We did not ban F-911, we just did not support it.

And I doubt your prediction of 2008 will come true. The simple reason is that talk radio is not a conservative conspiracy. It is money driven. If you want to suceed, you have to attract an audience. Air America is doomed to failure for that reason.

Finally, Fox News is not right wing. It is Center. Unless you consider everything that is not left to be right wing. Then I would have to agree.
on Oct 15, 2004
No, just the truth. We did not ban F-911, we just did not support it.


Sorry, but there was a very large conservative movement that tried to stop F/911 from getting in the theaters.

Where was the outrage when the lie-amentary from Michael Moore (proven to contain at least 59 falacies and so many half truths as the category of documentary had to be withdrawn) hit the theaters


You have got to be kidding! Did you really miss all the pissing and moaning from the Republicans?

Finally, Fox News is not right wing.


It may not be "right wing", but there is definitely a right of center bias there.

on Oct 18, 2004
Sorry, but there was a very large conservative movement that tried to stop F/911 from getting in the theaters.


Talk is cheap, links are better. Allegations cost nothing at all.

You have got to be kidding! Did you really miss all the pissing and moaning from the Republicans?


Not pissing and moaning, just laughs and jeres from all the lies that were so blatant that only a mind numbed kool aid drinker would have bought even half of it. But I can see how the left loves the propaganda of it.

It may not be "right wing", but there is definitely a right of center bias there.


Looking from the left, I will concede this point.
on Oct 18, 2004
Grim Xiozan, " Might want to do that before someone from the Demicans attacks you for bad English because they will grasp for straws and that is one less straw that you could give them. (cough example second debate Demican attack on Bush regarding grammar cough)"

I have only had one person come onto my blog site and criticize anyone for a typo/misspelling a word...and it didn't come from a desperate "liberal" grasping at straws. I would suggest that there's alot of grasping at straws to go around on both sides.
on Oct 18, 2004
I have only had one person come onto my blog site and criticize anyone for a typo/misspelling a word...and it didn't come from a desperate "liberal" grasping at straws. I would suggest that there's alot of grasping at straws to go around on both sides.


I know that and the only reason I stated it so they could not criticize him for it, and since he is a conservative would it be right for me to Republicrats and conservatives?
on Oct 18, 2004
Talk is cheap, links are better. Allegations cost nothing at all.


Link

"Citizens United, today filed a formal complaint to the Federal Election Commission and other federal government agencies against Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

The complaint alleges that Michael Moore and the companies and individuals involved in the marketing and distribution of the film are about to violate the Federal Election Campaign Act. Paid broadcast advertisements for the film, which include visual images and sound clips of President Bush and other candidates for federal office, are subject to the restrictions and regulatory requirements of federal campaign law."


Link
Link


on Oct 20, 2004
Citizens United, today filed a formal complaint to the Federal Election Commission and other federal government agencies against Michael Moore’s “Fahrenheit 9/11.”

The complaint alleges that Michael Moore and the companies and individuals involved in the marketing and distribution of the film are about to violate the Federal Election Campaign Act. Paid broadcast advertisements for the film, which include visual images and sound clips of President Bush and other candidates for federal office, are subject to the restrictions and regulatory requirements of federal campaign law."


That is hardly a 'large conservative movement'. Like I said, talk is cheap, allegations cost nothing.
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