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Is China in sight yet?
Published on September 17, 2004 By Dr Guy In Politics
Let me see if I have been accurately following this CBS story. They air an article on a subject 30 years old, that has already been beat to death. But this time, they come up with some new evidence. Ok, that looks good. Then the 'new' evidence is found to be forgeries. Oops! Caught with their knickers down. And that was after 5 years of research. Hmmmmm......wondering who was doing the research.

Then, after stonewalling for days on the forgeries, do they say "oops, we been had!". Nope, they try to defend it. Then the contemporaries get involved, and not even the left leaning media will back up their story, and so if starts to fall apart. And this was after 5 years of research.

But after one week of major CYA, they find who? A secretary! NOt just any secretary, but one that tells them they have fake documents, but the spirit was right. So why did they not find this source in the 5 years of research? Hmmmmmm......

Aw, but it gets better. Seems this source is a rabid democrat still smarting over Al Gore's loss in 2000! (Selected not elected). And it also seems that she is not really the Colonel's personal secretary as Dan Rather and She would have believe, but a pool typist! Hmmmmmm.......

And what is happening at the CBS Bastille? Still trying to defend the documents, still trying to defend the hatchet job. Still trying to save Dan Rather's tail. All the while, the rest of the country is laughing at them and what they have become. At one time, the mighty CBS seemed to be an icon of hard hitting journalism, a source of truth that America could turn to when they thought things were wrong in Washington.

Well, guess what? Things are still wrong in Washington, but instead of Watergate coverup, we have Rathergate coverup! The press has become what they use to report on!

The biggest fallout from this is not whether CBS did a hatchet job or not. The biggest fall out is that no one will trust them ever again. Every breaking story that comes from them is now suspect and most people will not even attempt to quote them as a source without independant verification (SHOCK! Why didn't CBS think of that before inserting foot in mouth?).

Inquiring minds are not even listening to CBS anymore. Instead they are seeking other sources for the latest in this scandal, and putting the pieces together themselves.

There is a lesson here for Joh Kerry. Dan Rather Hatest he Bush's with an all consuming passion, and for that he will pay with his reputation. JOhn Kerry cant keep fomenting the hate against Bush, or he will fall into the same trap. Maybe he will see the problem here, and start bringing usa positive message. A Reason to vote FOR him and not against Bush. But I doubt it.
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on Sep 17, 2004
*sigh* Fallujah. Darfur. Two things more important than this non-story. Enough about IBM Selectric typewriters.
on Sep 17, 2004
*sigh* Fallujah. Darfur. Two things more important than this non-story. Enough about IBM Selectric typewriters.


HOw do we know how things are in those cities when we can no longer trust the media to give us an accurate, even if it is biased, report?

The truth is this scandal has tainted the press reporting throughout, and that is why it is still in the headlines.
on Sep 17, 2004
I haven't watched television news in years. The sight of the blow-dried blow-hards makes me ill. But we're ignoring Darfur like mad. It's a travesty.
on Sep 17, 2004
Walter Cronkite should be appointed CEO of CBS.
on Sep 17, 2004

*sigh* Fallujah. Darfur. Two things more important than this non-story. Enough about IBM Selectric typewriters.

I hope you post this on every single article that isn't about Fallujah and Darfur.

on Sep 17, 2004
Total shame... Oh and I am still getting Blog Navigator.. I just waiting for my account to clear.

on Sep 17, 2004
The grand comedy of the whole deabte though is that despite the memo itself not being authentic, its contents are.

Has anyone come forward with a well documented rebuttal saying that the contents of the memo aren't true? Apparently not.





on Sep 17, 2004
Reply By: 1tomot1 Posted: Friday, September 17, 2004
The grand comedy of the whole deabte though is that despite the memo itself not being authentic, its contents are.

Has anyone come forward with a well documented rebuttal saying that the contents of the memo aren't true? Apparently not.




Has anyone come forward with any well document evidence to show that the contents are true?

on Sep 18, 2004


Has anyone come forward with any well document evidence to show that the contents are true?


Killian's secretary so far has come forward to say that the contents are definitely true. She didn't provide documentation, although she did confirm that Bush gained entry TXANG through the privilege of being the son of a wealthy and powerful family. She also stated that Bush behaved arrogantly and seemed to think he was above the rules. She further stated that Killian was outraged because Bush had failed to follow orders and take his required physical.

This testimony seems to fit well with the fact that as of yet not one out of over 500 members of the Alabama guard unit have stepped foward to collect the reward for information proving that Bush fulfilled his duty there.
on Sep 18, 2004
This testimony seems to fit well with the fact that as of yet not one out of over 500 members of the Alabama guard unit have stepped foward to collect the reward for information proving that Bush fulfilled his duty there.


This discussion was hammered on before but since you "obviously" missed it, I'll reiterate. If Bush had NOT fufilled his duties he would NEVER have gotten an honorable discharge! I "don't" care "whose" son you are! There are certain requirements that MUST be met BEFORE you get your hands on one of those prized pieces of paper! And I don't care weather or not ANYONE comes forward from the Alabama guard! What I have put forward is the facts and are indisputable!
on Sep 18, 2004



I "don't" care "whose" son you are! There are certain requirements that MUST be met BEFORE you get your hands on one of those prized pieces of paper!



You're probably right. Even powerful establishment families with fingers in the highest reaches of the ruling elite can't manage to get their hands on a "prized piece of paper."

Gee, not to mention that this same incorruptible entity would never let someone slide past thousands of other applicants for entry, just because of who that someone's family is.

Those kinds of things only happen in other places.
on Sep 18, 2004

Reply #11 By: 1tomot1 - 9/18/2004 2:13:44 AM




I "don't" care "whose" son you are! There are certain requirements that MUST be met BEFORE you get your hands on one of those prized pieces of paper!



You're probably right. Even powerful establishment families with fingers in the highest reaches of the ruling elite can't manage to get their hands on a "prized piece of paper."

Gee, not to mention that this same incorruptible entity would never let someone slide past thousands of other applicants for entry, just because of who that someone's family is.

Those kinds of things only happen in other places.


Getting in is one thing, getting out is a different matter entirely! You obviously don't know much about what it takes to get that honorable discharge. About how "many" people have to be in on it for it to happen
on Sep 18, 2004
Killian's secretary so far has come forward to say that the contents are definitely true. She didn't provide documentation, although she did confirm that Bush gained entry TXANG through the privilege of being the son of a wealthy and powerful family. She also stated that Bush behaved arrogantly and seemed to think he was above the rules. She further stated that Killian was outraged because Bush had failed to follow orders and take his required physical.

This testimony seems to fit well with the fact that as of yet not one out of over 500 members of the Alabama guard unit have stepped foward to collect the reward for information proving that Bush fulfilled his duty there.


Only problem for you: SHE WAS A POOL SECRETARY - not a personal secretary.

She also has an axe to grind, admitting that she believes the last election was decided by the Supreme Court of the U.S., "selected not elected".

So, you have a "hostile witness" with an "axe to grind" that is saying that the contents/spirit of FAKED memos is correct, and that is the basis for your "proof" that Bush didn't fulfill his requirements.


Does that mean that when someone, somewhere, who may peripherally be involved in your life while you were in your early years, comes up with a document that says you never finished kidnergarten and says, even after the documents are proved to be cheap forgeries and frauds, that the spirit of the document is correct because you never took the naps you were ordered to take and they know this because they just happen to occassionally have worked with individuals that might have had those thoughts.

Be sure to remember that the strenght of the accussations against you will stand (in your world) since they are made by someone that must absolutely be telling the truth.


What a great world you must be living in.
on Sep 18, 2004
In the old days (Sept 7th,2004), The mass media could put up just about any kind of a story and the public would have presumed the story to be accurate. Boys and girls, we live in a new age. If the mass media puts out a story (right OR left), they damn well better have the facts right. Because of CBS and Dan Rather, public trust in the media is on a par with politicians.
5 years investigating and interviewing witnesses. The story was shredded in just over 4 HOURS!
Now the mass media knows that their shoulders are being looked over very carefully.
For those of you that just don't get it, ask yourself just one question.
Have I EVER done anything that could use innuendo to try and destroy me?
Answer that question and I think you may have a better understanding of the real import of this debacle at CBS. This is not political. This is about manufacturing the news to suit Dan Rather's purposes.
on Sep 18, 2004
Only problem for you: SHE WAS A POOL SECRETARY - not a personal secretary.

She also has an axe to grind, admitting that she believes the last election was decided by the Supreme Court of the U.S., "selected not elected".

So, you have a "hostile witness" with an "axe to grind" that is saying that the contents/spirit of FAKED memos is correct, and that is the basis for your "proof" that Bush didn't fulfill his requirements.


Does that mean that when someone, somewhere, who may peripherally be involved in your life while you were in your early years, comes up with a document that says you never finished kidnergarten and says, even after the documents are proved to be cheap forgeries and frauds, that the spirit of the document is correct because you never took the naps you were ordered to take and they know this because they just happen to occassionally have worked with individuals that might have had those thoughts.

Be sure to remember that the strenght of the accussations against you will stand (in your world) since they are made by someone that must absolutely be telling the truth.


What a great world you must be living in.
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Zell Miller who is 80? They say he's senile! Yet along comes this woman who is 86? And "she" remembers "everything"! Go figure!
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