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Published on June 18, 2007 By Dr Guy In Current Events

Lately we have been regaled on the many facets of terrorim and terrorists.  What it is and who they are.  We know that Mohammed Atta and bin Laden are.  And many accept that Timothy McVeigh is one as well.  Along with Eric Rudolph.  And others that we can determine picked an indiscrimiante target that had nothing to do with their perceived injustice.

But recently, I was informed that the Branch Davidians of Waco were Terrorists.  Huh?

Now I will grant you that I am not an expert on the issue of Waco, or of the creed of the Branch Davidians.  However, I do not recall them ever carrying out acts of terrorism prior to their immolation at the hands of the Elian Gonzalez snatching Justice department.  My memory of the event is that they were "accused" of some serious crimes, never proven (dead men tell no tales).  And they do have an idea of salvation that is not in any way in line with my own.

But Terrorists?  Does that make Jim Jones one?  Or is this a new form of newspeak where mistakes, innocent or incompetant, are now being swept under a rug of "post facto" evil?  Could they have been "terrorists"?  Only God knows for sure.  But why are they now being branded terrorists when all they wanted to do, by all accounts of worth, was to pray in their own way?

I have not condemned the ATF in the past for Waco.  I do not now.  It was not their call. Nor have I heaped a bunch of scorn and pointed fingers at Janet Reno for her decision, ham handed as it was.  They were defying the law, and the tragedy could have been avoided if they had complied with the authorities.  But why now do we have to hide this tragedy under a veil of "terrorism" when to all accounts, none existed.  Just another cult trying to live its way, outside of the laws of the country.

Why now are we trying to justify an incident that needs no justification.  Other than to perhaps paint the authorities of that time in a better light?


Comments (Page 1)
on Jun 18, 2007
psttttttt?????// DAVIDIANS.... the only terrorist there was the ATF. THE FBI. AND THE DOJ.
on Jun 18, 2007
DG is it Davidians or Dividians? Are they the same? I thought it was Davidians?

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on Jun 18, 2007
I do not think they fall into the category of terrorists, they terrorised no-one.
on Jun 18, 2007

psttttttt?????// DAVIDIANS.... the only terrorist there was the ATF. THE FBI. AND THE DOJ.

I would not even go that far.  I think that Janet Reno blew it, but that was a judgement call (which does go to my lack of faith in her judgement and the one who picked her).  But there was no terrorism there.  Just a sad black eye for America.

on Jun 18, 2007

DG is it Davidians or Dividians? Are they the same? I thought it was Davidians?

Wiki says Davidians - but they have been known to be wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Branch_Davidian

AH!  Sorry for the typo.

on Jun 18, 2007
MM and Poison - Brain fart!  I even googled some of the stuff and typed it right!  Sorry for the misspelling.
on Jun 18, 2007
psttttttt?????// DAVIDIANS.... the only terrorist there was the ATF. THE FBI. AND THE DOJ.


I'll wager if the ATF, FBI, et. al. had of calmed down and backed off and just let the local authorities deal with it then the whole thing would have turned out better.

I'll wager   
on Jun 18, 2007

Reply By: ShovelheatPosted: Monday, June 18, 2007
psttttttt?????// DAVIDIANS.... the only terrorist there was the ATF. THE FBI. AND THE DOJ.


I'll wager if the ATF, FBI, et. al. had of calmed down and backed off and just let the local authorities deal with it then the whole thing would have turned out better.

I'll wager

No bet joe, cause I do believe you are right.

on Jun 18, 2007
I'll wager if the ATF, FBI, et. al. had of calmed down and backed off and just let the local authorities deal with it then the whole thing would have turned out better.


I dont take sucker bets.
on Jun 18, 2007
Re(Citizen)Poison5June 18, 2007


yes mam!

on Jun 18, 2007
Terrorists? They holed up and tried to separate and cut themselves off from the rest of the world, how is that terrorism? I think someone out there is reading more into things than exist?
on Jun 18, 2007
Brain fart!


We all get them hey doc!
on Jun 18, 2007
Never, ever compare me to a NAZI, in any way.. not even in fun I do not appreciate it, far as I know NO JEW DOES.

Docg and I go back a long way, and my correction of Davidian was the right thing to do. He would not like his article to stay with a misspelled headline, I know the man.
on Jun 18, 2007
Never, ever compare me to a NAZI, in any way.. not even in fun I do not appreciate it, far as I know NO JEW DOES.

Docg and I go back a long way, and my correction of Davidian was the right thing to do. He would not like his article to stay with a misspelled headline, I know the man.


I would suggest she is making light of her own Spelling Nazism on the doc, she did after all point out Doc's mistakes too. I would not take this to heart, spelling nazi is a phrase that is used the world over on the net, and it has been used by many of us here on JU at one time or another.

MM you are far to precious to most folk on JU for them to set out and insult you like that and although Poison is fairly new here I think she likes to keep things light and breezy, not to cause hurt to anyone.

on Jun 18, 2007
I have to wonder if there were a Muslim compound with that many weapons stockpiled if we would hesitate to call them terrorists.

I don't think the Branch Davidians were terrorists. From what I know, they were stockpiling the weapons to protect themselves not to attack others. Terrorists use violence to intimidate and coerce. I think we have to be careful with the terms we use. It takes the power away from the word when you use it to describe people who haven't actually terrorized anyone. Though I guess an argument could be made that David Koresh terrorized some of his own followers.