Hitler, Nazis and Racists

Published on May 19, 2006 By Dr Guy In Politics

It seems that the loony loopy Luddite left has been reduced to baby talk. No longer able to discuss issues rationally, they must resort to using on of the 3 title words to enter into any discussion or debate. No longer able to engage in rational discourse, the first words out of their mouth is "bush is Hitler" or "conservatives are Nazis" or "this amendment is racist" (Harry Reid).

Racist? OK, as Bakerstreet likes to point out, it is cultural supremacist. It is jingoistic. But Racists? Since when is a race, any race, limited to one language? Whites? Nein, Mein herr (oder Damen). Blacks? How many know that Swahili is a made up language by {shock} Englishmen! The continent speaks more languages, as do blacks the world over, than carter has liver pills (Ever seen a Black German speaking fluent German and English with a British accent? I have!) Hispanics? get a life! They are not a race. They include not only people of Spanish descent, but Portuguese as well (want to tell the Portuguese are really Spanish? Want to live very long?) And no, not all speak Spanish! Seen the blond haired senorita from Majorca? Asian? While the Chinese and Japanese writings are very pretty, they are hardly interchangeable. And what about Korean, Vietnamese, Cambodian, etc. Polynesian? Send a Tahitian to Hawaii and see how well he gets along!

No, the simple fact is language is language, and race is race. And to make a statement like Harry Reid did is tantamount to extreme bigotry. And ignorance. But I repeat myself.

No, harry Reid, the only thing racist about making English the National language of the US is your statement. It may be egotistical. It may be arrogant. It may be superfluous. But it is not racist. No, Harry Reid, you are the racist for thinking that all foreigners only speak Spanish, and thus must fit into your myopic stereotype of being Mexicans - which in itself is very racist as well. You learned well from your democrat roots. Congratulations and you may now don your hood from your racist roots.

Comments (Page 2)

Adventure-Dude

on May 19, 2006

Yes Baker!

A cultural supremecy would be the downfall of all of what the US has stood for. Just look at Iran. Marking non-muslims. Hmmm smells like what Hitler had cooking. Having a quote 'cultural supremecy' would be disasterous. I doubt many others have been watching lil Kyrgyzstan (unless they are following the Bishkek Manas Airbase ordeal) but they are going through a national language. Right now it is Russian but the vast majority of the people speak Kyrgyz (a turkish language). The national language is Russian due to the Soviet rule. Just bringing up the issue caused great division and since 'security' isn't as efficient as here in the US this was more problematic. It was downright scary for some of the Russians who still reside there. Some of which left. We already have the division of right and left wing here we don't need more obstructions to continue to divide us.

On another note growing up in a predominant Hispanic area I learned to speak spanish because otherwise I would be able to buy what I needed. This is the same as New York, LA and other large cities when they first started. WOuld you agree Baker?

bakerstreet

on May 19, 2006

That's the key, really. People will learn to speak whatever language they NEED to speak, without the government mandating it. The fact that millions of people in the US can get by without knowing English kind of betrays the point of all this furor. If knowing english was a sink-or-swim kind of thing, would you need all this voting and speechmaking?

To me it is about keeping America sounding, if not looking, the same whether it would naturally do so or not. I think it is strange that people keep claiming to be worried about the poor, non-English speakers when the rest of the time they are complaining about not being able to order at their local McDonalds because no one there speaks good English. Who, exactly, are the ones in need, after all?

Adventure-Dude

on May 19, 2006

I assume that you are refering to those who came here LEGALLY right?

It seems to me that many are nearsighted and see it as an inconvience. This may promote our schools to be more proactive with multiple languages. My fiance can speak three languages very well and knows a little in at least three others. This is coming from a third world country. We, I am afraid have become like spoiled brats. Crying because things are changing.

Doc, wasn't so much raving about your article it was more of a shout out. There are three who are in my circle (as if that means anything

). I may not agree with ya but you are one of the three. Baker you and I have had our disagreements (the light issue) but I still have respect for you and your thoughts. So that makes two.

bakerstreet

on May 19, 2006

I really don't see it as a legal/illegal issue, frankly. If anything this is more of a smack to the legal immigrants that have for one reason or another not learned English sufficiently to please the critics. You don't need to make English an issue to deal with people who are here illegally, their status is enough.

The only people this would legitimately impact are the people we are trying to point to as "good" immigrants. Is this the point in time when we want to be even MORE nitpicky? Or should we spend our time focusing on people who break the law and quit tagging meaningless riders onto new laws that only annoy the people we claim to appreciate.

That's the danger here, frankly. We claim to love immigrants and only to be upset about the illegal aliens, and then we turn around and vote yes on something like this. It just gives ammunition to the people who want the world to believe that we are just anti-immigrant altogether.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

It's a shotgun tactic, really. They have a list of rhetorical shrapnel that they like to chunk out as often as they can in speeches. "Racist" is a good one because it guarentees whoever says it will be quoted by some news service or other.

I know, and it is a fact of life. But it is getting real old, especially since the only avowed racists right now are in the democrat party.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

Reply By: Dynosoar

Thanks Dyno.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

Is it not true that if you participate in a certain culture, you must believe it is superior? If you didn't believe that, wouldn't you have chosen some other culture to participate in? Wouldn't you be kind of an idiot not to promote a culture you had chosen for its superiority over other cultures?

The PC crowd does not want to acknowledge it, but you are correct. Virtually everyone is a cultural supremecist by virtue of the fact they prefer that one to any others. However it is not PC to admit or acknowledge that fact.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

People learn English without empty statements like this vote. This vote isn't going to make anyone learn English. Worse, it just makes the issue look as styled and empty as a newscaster's head.

The amendment is a pure vote grab, that I dont deny. But it has nothing to do with race, and certainly it is not a statement on American Culture. For the patios of the bayous is barely recognizable in the nasal fiefs of Boston. Yet they are supposed to be both english.

The amendment is a pandering for votes. Nothing more, nothing less.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

A cultural supremecy would be the downfall of all of what the US has stood for. Just look at Iran. Marking non-muslims. Hmmm smells like what Hitler had cooking.

You are confusing cultural supremecy with Facism. Cultural Supremacy does not believe we, the people, are superior, only that our culture is better than any others. And hence why we made it what it is.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

This is coming from a third world country. We, I am afraid have become like spoiled brats. Crying because things are changing.

Oh, I dont disagree. We are spoiled. For a couple of centuries we were separated from the world by oceans and did not have to learn other languages. But that has changed, and people hate change, even tho the only constant in life is change.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

That's the danger here, frankly. We claim to love immigrants and only to be upset about the illegal aliens, and then we turn around and vote yes on something like this. It just gives ammunition to the people who want the world to believe that we are just anti-immigrant altogether.

I disagree. I dont see it as anything more than a bit of vote getting and chest thumping. Frankly I think the world had a collective yawn over the whole todo.

Adventure-Dude

on May 20, 2006

For a couple of centuries we were separated from the world by oceans and did not have to learn other languages.

But we still had immigration taking place. I know of many families who had their name changed. It's just that the English won oppressing the other immigrants and now this is the result. If the French and Indian side won we wouldn't be speaking English. Same could be said for with the spainards from California and Mexico. I don't see how things are different now then they were before. Just some were sheltered from the fact that this was there all along.

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

If the French and Indian side won we wouldn't be speaking English.

No, you lack a general knowledge of HIstory. Whether the US would be 'Coast to coast' is a question. Spaniards were never strong enough to make the US speak spanish (although we do use their dollar). The french have never won anything, so that was never a question. Quite simply, the politics of the time. We could be speaking English or German. But that is not really the issue.

OUr lack of interaction with others because of our separation made us fat dumb and lazy. We did not have to in order to interact with our neighbors, so we did not.

Rightwinger

on May 20, 2006

Yes, stute.....some cultures ARE better than others. Cultures that, for example, repeatedly come to the rescue of people in other cultures without asking for or expecting any real recompense.
Cultures that move forward and provide an atmosphere of creativity and intelligence that permits its people to invent new ways to make the whole world a better, slightly easier place in which to live.
Cultures that don't freely permit their people to slaughter each other in ages-old conflicts over ages-old grudges and feuds of which no one fighting over them today even remembers the origins.

Those cultures are better than the others.

See, Baker supports anyone/thing that comes along and infuses what he sniffily decrees as our American "generic non-culture" with what he might sniffily percieve as cultural flavor.
Perhaps you'd like it, Baker, if every newscast had its own "culturally appropriate" anchor, instead of the "creepy", generic robots that are there out of necessity, so they can attempt to appeal to everyone. For example:

The Black anchor could wear FUBU or Sean John outfits with a huge gold chain and medallion and sideways ballcap, have grilles and give the news in urban ghetto-ized Ebonics and Gangsta slang.

The Latino anchor could wear a sombraro and poncho and talk like Freddy Prinz, or maybe a silk suit with white shirt, open at the collar, gold chains and talk like Tony Montana. Or, if a woman, Charro.

The Germanic Anchor could dress and talk like Deiter, Mike Myers' "Sprockets" character from SNL.

The Italian Anchor could wear a tux and talk like Vito Corleone.......the possibilties are endless.

Of course, the evening newscasts would last hours and hours, but hey.....anything in the name of cultural diversity, right?

Dr Guy

on May 20, 2006

Reply By: Rightwinger

Good analogy. But still you did not get the issue. The anchors are not culture. They are ethnic. You did hit it in the first paragraph. But again that is subjective. It is YOUR best culture (and it is mine). And yes, it is better than Sudan, Ruwanda, Iraq, Iran, or even Mexico (a very xenophobic society if there ever was one). WHy? Because it is the one we can and will identify with because it is the one we want to live in. Every one who CHOOSES a culture is a culture supremacist. Period.

I admit it. Now knock that chip off my shoulder.

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